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Anonymous, 3 yr 320 days ago

i hate him too. and who like him is my enemy...

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Anonymous, 3 yr 268 days ago
I hate him too. He is characterless, odious!!!!! He likes money very much!!
YoungCalifornian  +  202416 Thu, 02 Mar 06 07:19 AM

I've already made my views on the Armenian genocide known, so I'm not going to go over that again (there's already a thread in the Controversial Subjects forum).  Still, I find it disturbing that so many Turks get so furious at an opinion which threatens Turkish nationalism.  How can you "hate" someone for voicing their beliefs?  While this author's opinion may be very controversial in Turkey, it's much less so around the rest of the world.  Realize that outside of Turkey, the attempted genocide of the Armenians is pretty much considered fact.  I'm not trying to convince you of something you don't want to believe, only to point out that this author's view is held by many people around the rest of the world.  Do you hate all of them as well?

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Ville_maddengurl  +  202522 Thu, 02 Mar 06 04:17 PM

i dont hate who likes Orhan Pamuk... i hate Orhan Pamuk cuz he cant write good. the people like him cuz he distorts turkish history...the people like him cuz he inflates the people who againts turkey... Orhan Pamuk's goal is fame, money, prize... he is ambitious and dirty. he sold turkish history to be famous... his turkish works are really disgusting! he couldnt be succesfull in turkey... and he decided to exploid the hateful feelings of armenians... and the people believed him... and i dont think they should pride of him...they should kick his ass...they should figure out that Orhan Pamuk tricked them... why dont they understand Orhan Pamuk is the most ignoble person of the world...! people wake up and realize! he doesnt mirror what he think really!

Janissary  +  203301 Sun, 05 Mar 06 09:10 AM

i dont want to write again.i have mentioned all my opions over the matter in threads about Armeninas.

as for Orhan Pamuk i think as is said he want to add his popularism to popularism.he has nothing to do with history. he is not a historician. but what is his attitude towards the matter. he said in a party to which only foreign journalists were invited (thats his hypocrisy becuse he defends the freedom of expresiion but look what he does) " i am not wanted in Turkey because i say the things no one can dare to say"

what a nonsense. everyone knows there were killed Armenians as well as Turks at that war time in hardships.but the matter is not if there were killed Armenians or not.

i deduce from his attitude he is just playing to media.

meanwhile, i have just read one book of him and actually i couldnt finish it . it was not good as i had expected. its name was Yeni Hayat.

regards.

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milky  +  203508 Sun, 05 Mar 06 11:57 PM
 YoungCalifornian wrote:

 How can you "hate" someone for voicing their beliefs? 

How about David Irving?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_John_Cawdell_Irving

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YoungCalifornian  +  203536 Mon, 06 Mar 06 02:41 AM

How about David Irving?

While I don't respect his beliefs, I do respect his right to voice them.  I find the idea of someone standing trial for an opinion, no matter how controversial or offensive, simply ludicrous.

Anonymous, 3 yr 239 days ago
Sorry to tell, but the subject of the forum is Orhan Pamuk, and of course his stories. And again and again the theme developed into the discussions about the Genocide of Armenians and Kurds, and the denial of it. The fact is that there was a massacre, whether you deny it or not! The facts show that! Who is guitly it's another side of the story! But it is obvious, that not the Orhan plays on the media, but the media plays on you all! What's of it that every one wrote on this forum that he hates Orhan? You  yourself are advertising the most unloved Orhan Smile [:)]. Frankly speaking, I have never read his stories but now I will get them to read. So now who plays on whom, media on you or  Orhan on the media? The whole discussion made me laugh frankly speaking! So my advice is : Don't go on with this discussion you are making the whole world to laugh on you!!!
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