Miche  +  111465 Wed, 22 Jun 05 01:49 PM Has anybody read anything by Orhan Pamuk, the Turkish writer? I discovered him a few months ago and I am really impressed! There are two books translated in my native language (My Name is Red; and The White Castle) and I think several have been translated in English. To me his writing is a unique combination of down-to-earth story with deep psychological reflections. You cannot but begin seeing, hearing and feeling through the eyes, ears and hearts of his characters. I do recommend it to everyone who likes good literature! Miche Joined on Fri, Jan 7 2005 Full Member 258 There's always sunshine after rain Literature

	uykusuz  +  111634 Thu, 23 Jun 05 01:43 AM He is a very famous writer in Turkey. I recommend you "Snow". In this novel, you will learn a lot of things about islamic-rooted political parties, anti-secular movements and headscarf issue in Turkey. However his last novels are very pessimistic. Nowadays he has very bad reputation in Turkey as his explanations about so-called Armenian genocide and so-called massacre of Kurdish people. He said that Turkish people killed over one and half million Armenians and thirty thousand Kurdish people. I think he said these in order to get popularism and have a good condition through the eyes of anti-Turkish people. He said these without tough proofs. I wish he hadn't said such. However his books are very good. uykusuz Joined on Fri, Jun 17 2005 Istanbul, Turkey New Member 21

	Miche  +  111730 Thu, 23 Jun 05 08:20 AM have a good condition through the eyes of anti-Turkish people It is very strange to hear that, because the two books I read revealed to me the depth of Turkish soul and mentality and I loved that. He just confirmed my belief that the Turkish people are very close to my understanding of what is good and bad, worthy and worthess, lasting and transient. Miche

	yulysess  +  111951 Fri, 24 Jun 05 01:18 AM Hi Miche, You are right. I've read his several books and share your opinions. I don't know you consent me if I say he is deeply influenced by Umberto Eco's semiological approach. yulysess Joined on Fri, Jun 3 2005 Full Member 173 Practise what you preach

	uykusuz  +  112083 Fri, 24 Jun 05 11:21 AM Actually I meant he wanted to get more popular in anti-Turkish people by saying about alleged Armenian genocide and massacres of Kurds. I'm agree with you about his books. I only wanted his ideas about what i said before are not acceptable for Turkish people. I wish he hadn't talked about the issues that he hadn't enough knowledge. But his books are good, and as you said, when you read them, you can see Turkish soul and mentality. uykusuz

	Miche  +  112094 Fri, 24 Jun 05 12:38 PM Hi, Yulysess, It hasn't occurred to me that there could be some connection but now that you mention it, yes, one can look at Orhan Pamuk's book in this way. I'm not sure he is really influenced by Eco, but I agree that one can see some semiological issues in his books. BTW, do you like Joyce? (Given you nickname...) Miche

	Miche  +  112095 Fri, 24 Jun 05 12:40 PM Hi, Yukusuz, Now it's clear. I'm happy you like Orhan Pamuk's books too. I'll probably have to look for some more of his books here. Best wishesh! Miche

	uykusuz  +  112152 Fri, 24 Jun 05 05:05 PM Snow is the best recommendation for you. You will also have some information about islamic-rooted political parties and their activities... uykusuz

	yulysess  +  112747 Sun, 26 Jun 05 10:41 PM Sorry, Miche, for answering late, weekend you know. Yes, I like Joyce and his novel "Ulysess" was my diplom study and graduation thesis in university. I strictly recommend you Orhan Pamuk's "White Castle", delineates the opposition and final confluence of eastern and western patterns of thinking within the main character's consciousness. Orha Pamuk "The White Castle". Trans. By Victoria Holbrook. New York: Vintage. Slobin, D.I and Aksu, A. 1982. take care yulysess Universities