New2grammar  +  372792 Wed, 30 May 07 10:25 PM A car that is smashed is called smashed car. Water that is bottled is called bottled water A knot on a rope that is hand tied is called hand-tied knot. So in passive contruction, the passive verb (eg: smashed, bottled) can be used as an adjective to describe the noun and thus form a compound noun. Is this correct most of the time? Thanks in advance New2grammar Joined on Tue, Nov 21 2006 Veteran Member 7,676 Who wants to go sailing around the world with me? Verbs, Nouns

	Cool Breeze  +  372798 Wed, 30 May 07 10:41 PM Hi N2G I don't know if it's true most of the time. It's not always true, that's for sure. You don't say: I didn't like the met people. There's not much logic to English, even though the grammatical structure is the simplest I know. Cheers CB Cool Breeze Joined on Fri, Apr 7 2006 Senior Member 3,978 "I hope you'll all live to be 150 years old - and the last voice you hear is mine!" Frank Sinatra on stage in Oslo, Norway, 28 September 1991 Verbs

	New2grammar  +  372801 Wed, 30 May 07 10:53 PM Correct me if I am wrong, You would say, The car is smashed. => passive ,    The smashed car is... You won't say. The people are met by me. => it's passive but doesn't make sense,  therefore the compound noun also illogical,    The met people So, I think the question is, as long as the passive sentences are logical, so will the compound nouns, right? New2grammar Verbs, Nouns, Passive Sentences

	Bokeh  +  372816 Wed, 30 May 07 11:48 PM  New2grammar wrote: Bokeh, could you please elaborate? I don't quite understand what you mean. I mean that both the passive and the adjective derived from a verb are normally the participal. Bokeh Grammar, Verbs

	CalifJim  +  372847 Thu, 31 May 07 02:38 AM So in passive contruction, the passive verb (eg: smashed, bottled) can be used as an adjective It seems to me that what you have illustrated is that adjectives can be used attributively (The water is bottled) and descriptively (This is bottled water).  This is true of most adjectives:  (The chair is red.  This is a red chair.)   The connection to the passive voice is a little more tenuous. Your examples show that at least some past participles (smashed, bottled, etc.) can function as adjectives, but that's not always possible.  If the past participle is derived from an intransitive verb, for example, it probably won't be used as an adjective.  sleep, run, and stay are intransitive verbs, so you won't see constructions like *the slept child, *a run machine, or *the stayed guest.  Even the participles of transitive verbs are sometimes unusable as adjectives. CJ CalifJim Joined on Mon, Aug 2 2004 California Veteran Member 22,405 "There are no facts, only interpretations" - Nietzsche Verbs, Constructions

	Bokeh  +  372941 Thu, 31 May 07 10:30 AM  CalifJim wrote: Your examples show that at least some past participles (smashed, bottled, etc.) can function as adjectives, but that's not always possible. I guess he's right that there is a connection with the passive voice participles used as adjective because intransitive verbs can't be used in the passive voice. Bokeh Verbs