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Latest post Wed, Dec 8 2004 5:37 AM by sushi4ever. 4 replies.
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sushi4ever  +  60075 Wed, 08 Dec 04 05:37 AM
definition #1 : A marvelous person or thing
definition #2 : A genus of palms including the date tree

Knowing these, how would you put the word "phoenix" into a sentence that describes each of the meanings? Thanks for your help!Smile [:)]
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Mister Micawber  +  60110 Wed, 08 Dec 04 08:44 AM


Sorry, Sushi, my dictionary offers neither definition (granted it does not offer a lot of Latin genera). A phoenix was a fabulous bird that burst into flame and was reincarnated from its own ashes; as a metaphor, we use it properly for someone or something that falls from success to failure and then recovers success.

You could try burning a date palm (Phoenix dactylifera) and then seeing if it sprouts again. Interesting nomenclature-- I wonder why it received that name?-- something about its life cycle in the desert perhaps: remaining dormant and then suddenly producing dates, perhaps.


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MrPedantic  +  60216 Wed, 08 Dec 04 04:54 PM
Hello Sushi, hello MisterM

Phoenix is the name Theophrastus used for this genus in his Enquiry into Plants (he also uses it for Chamaerops humilis, the dwarf fan palm). He doesn't offer an explanation of the name, as far as I can see; it seems simply to be the Greek word for the plant. Perhaps it relates to Phoenicia. He mentions a very old Phoenix on Delos, under which Leto was supposed to have given birth to Apollo and Artemis.

According to D.J. Mabberley's Plant Book, P. dactylifera has been cultivated since around 4000BC; some possibly wild plants exist in the NE Sahara and Arabia, but their fruits are inedible. The now endangered P. theophrasti appears in Minoan frescoes.

I have seen 'phoenix' used for 'a marvellous person', but can't recall where. An 18th century hyperbole, perhaps. The sense of 'uniqueness' is the one to emphasize, in this context: that only one such person can exist at any time.

'Pele is the phoenix of football.' 'Gary Kasparov is the phoenix of chess.' Hmm. It doesn't really work these days; in fact, you could say it sounds a little dated.

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Mister Micawber  +  60265 Wed, 08 Dec 04 10:27 PM

Thanks for the footwork, MrPedantic. Yes, unique-- I forgot that part.

I think I'll move this to the Vocabulary thread.

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Phoenix is also the capital of Arizona - the best state in the USSmile [:)] .
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