Phrasal verbs

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Rex  #315241  Sun, 14 Jan 07 06:47 PM
They were to buy a new house.

1. They called off the deal.
2. Thet called the deal off.
Which is the correct one?
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 3.You can put down an animal.
4. You can put an animal down.

I know for sure both 3 and 4 are correct because the object is a pronoun
  
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Philip  #315275  Sun, 14 Jan 07 09:03 PM
 Rex wrote:
They were to buy a new house.

1. They called off the deal.
2. Thet called the deal off.
Which is the correct one?
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 3.You can put down an animal.
4. You can put an animal down.

I know for sure both 3 and 4 are correct because the object is a pronoun   ???
They're all correct.
  
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Anonymous  #315282  Sun, 14 Jan 07 09:17 PM

 Rex wrote:


1. They called off the deal.
2. Thet called the deal off.
3.You can put down an animal.
4. You can put an animal down.

I know for sure both 3 and 4 are correct because the object is a pronoun

If the object were a  pronoun, you could not use structures 1 and 3. Even with separable phrasal verb, pronouns are always in the middle. 

1. They called off it.
2. They called it off.
3. You can put down it.
4. You can put it down.


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Rex  #315314  Sun, 14 Jan 07 11:17 PM
I always mixed up the words 'pronouns' and 'proper nouns'. 
It should be 'pronouns'. No doubt about it.
  
CalifJim  #315318  Sun, 14 Jan 07 11:29 PM
Rex,
I think you meant to say that the object (an animal) is not a pronoun.
The pronoun would be it.

You can put down it is incorrect.
You can put it down is correct.

The reason is that if the object is a pronoun, the pronoun must come between the two parts of the phrasal verb.

(All are correct as you wrote them.)

CJ

  
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Rex  #315331  Mon, 15 Jan 07 12:19 AM
Hi CalifJim
I respect to your knowledge of grammar.
In the cae of phrasal verb, the transitive and intransitive verbs also counts heavily.

1. CalifJim asked me to shut up.

2. CalifJim asked shut you up.

How do you generalize here?
Not all verbs are separable. How do I know?
  
CalifJim  #315365  Mon, 15 Jan 07 03:33 AM
How to generalize?

In the intransitive case there's no choice about placement of the object because there is no object.
In the transitive case there are three correct ways to structure the words.

pick up the pencil; pick the pencil up; pick it up
throw out the trash; throw the trash out; throw it out


Basically, the intransitives are inseparable and are prepositional verbs; the transitives are separable and are true phrasal verbs.

You might be interested in this. Post:256515

Note in particular:

There are a number of particles (up, down, in, out, on, off, away, back) which should make us very suspicious that we are dealing with a separable phrasal verb, and a number of them (with, without, by, for, at, across, of, from, to, into) which almost certainly indicate a prepositional verb.


CJ




  
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