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John Scheunemann
#46566 Tue, 21 Sep 04 01:09 PM
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Thanks for the interesting questions and replies regarding the phrase "play judo."
I realize the rules of the past did not allow such useage. My opinion is that this phrase (as well as "play karate" et cetera) is now transitioning into accepted and standard English because of its wide useage. A simple network search using the phrase "play judo" can yield many examples. I.e., "TEHRAN, Iran (AP)--Iranian judo champion Arash Miresmaili has withdrawn from the Olympics after refusing to PLAY against an Israeli opponent..." Also, from the same, "I refused to PLAY against an Israeli rival to..."
A new book is titled "Play the Game: Judo - Dando". Rensselaer Judo Club of Troy, New York has "Play Judo. Have fun" on their website. Hollesley Judo Kai of Woodbridge, Suffolk, England begins their websight text with: "Play judo with Hollesley Judo Club"
"Hollesley Judo Club was formed in 1993 by Julie and Neil Jolliffe, both Dan grade judo PLAYers." Lastly, from sportspark.co.uk from Norwich: "Judo is PLAYed within the purpose built Martial Arts Room. Norwich Premier Judo Club is based at the Sportspark and offer..."
With many people and Nations using this phrase, I think it is working its way into acceptance and we don't need to stand hard and fast against "play Judo."
I'm interested in any advice, corrections or comments regarding my view on this.
Thank you for this informative sight and opportunity to learn and grow together.
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Mister Micawber
#46568 Tue, 21 Sep 04 01:29 PM
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Hi John,
Welcome to EnglishForums. I missed your earlier discussion (as a Guest?) on this topic, so I apologize for any rehashing. I suppose that you tried this-- Google searches revealed:
'play judo' - 573 pages
'practice judo' - 766 pages
'study judo' - 783 pages
'do judo' - 12,300 pages
I think 'play judo' has a long way to go before it can be considered to be in 'wide usage'. There's no point in standing hard and fast against anything linguistic (and it wouldn't work if we tried anyway), but I do like to keep my students on track regarding the best (i.e. most widely accepted) ways to say things.
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John Scheunemann
#47668 Tue, 28 Sep 04 03:26 AM
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Hi Mister Micawber,
Thanks very much for your reply to my question. It is nice to be able to get your insights on this. Have a great day!
John
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Wai_Wai
#47739 Tue, 28 Sep 04 11:53 AM
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Hi John.
Welcome here.
Correct me if wrong.
It seems we should spell it as "usage" (NOT "useage")
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I am NOT a native English speaker.
Correct me if I make any mistake. Any comment is perfectly welcome.
One idea: I advocate acronyms used at a min because:
- difficulty to...
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Wai_Wai
#47747 Tue, 28 Sep 04 12:26 PM
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I beg to differ.
Why "play Judo" is wrong?
I' afraid I can't think of why.
Judo is a kind of sport.
We will say "play football, basketball". Why not for Judo.
'play judo' - have the game of Judo (especially for fun, relax, enjoyment etc.)
'practice judo' - try the game of Judo (in order to familiarise the game, its skills etc.)
'study judo' - try to study the sport of Judo (studying Judo can include not only practising/playing Judo, but also lots more like read its books, analyse the skil etc.)
'do judo' - similar to "study"
"Whichever verb to use with Judo" depends very much on what you wish to express.
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John Scheunemann
#47749 Tue, 28 Sep 04 12:33 PM
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Hello Wai Wai,
Yes, you are absolutely right. I was in a hurry and did not check my spelling or grammar as I should have. Thanks for keeping me on my toes.
Peace to you,
John
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Mister Micawber
#47762 Tue, 28 Sep 04 02:04 PM
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Because judo is not a game, Wai Wai; football and basketball are games. Generally we 'play' only games (tennis, chess) and musical instruments.
No one said 'play judo' is wrong, just that it is not the most natural/popular usage. You are free to use whichever you wish, but I presume that you are here to learn common native English formations, rather than what you reason out according to your logic.
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Wai_Wai
#47783 Tue, 28 Sep 04 03:30 PM
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Oh, I see. Thanks for pointing out.
I supposed it was a game.
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Wai_Wai
#47785 Tue, 28 Sep 04 03:31 PM
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John, you are too welcome
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