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paco2004  #192997  Mon, 06 Feb 06 12:34 AM

Hello

We often come across a sentence as below.
      (EX) She found a position teaching English at a high school.

I understand the meaning of the sentence. But I'm wondering how to parse the sentence. From the meaning, "teaching English" should be a phrase to backwardly modify "a position". But is it grammatical to put a gerundive modifier directly to a noun to be modified?

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Clive  #193009  Mon, 06 Feb 06 01:32 AM

Hi Paco,

I'm not good at naming things, but is it not  a participle functioning more as an adjective than as a gerund?

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paco2004  #193012  Mon, 06 Feb 06 01:38 AM
 Clive wrote:
I'm not good at naming things, but is it not  a participle functioning more as an adjective than as a gerund?
Clive,

Thank you for the quick reply. I thought that possibility. But can "a position" teach English?

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rvw  #193015  Mon, 06 Feb 06 02:02 AM
I think the phrase teaching English at a high school is in apposition to positionThe sentence could have been written:

She found a position -- teaching English at a high school.
or      She found a position -- namely, teaching English at a high school.

The gerund teaching is not a modifier.  It (with the rest of its phrase) is a substantive that points to the same thing as position.  It is a different construction from They found the student crying, in which crying is a present participle which modifies student

  
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paco2004  #193021  Mon, 06 Feb 06 02:33 AM
Hello RVW

Thank you for the answer. Your thought sounds someway more reasonable. But still I cannot feel confident. If "teaching English" is appositive to "a position", I think, "She found teaching English at a high school" should be idiomatic, but it is not the case. Furthermore, we cannot use along with "a position" any noun phrase other than --ing. For example, "She found a position instruction of English at a high school" sounds weird. So…

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rvw  #193024  Mon, 06 Feb 06 02:44 AM
paco2004,

I had doubts when I posted.  There seems to be something more to this.  I will think about it some more.

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CalifJim  #193045  Mon, 06 Feb 06 04:14 AM
is it grammatical to put a gerundive modifier directly to a noun to be modified?

I would say yes.  You could probably find more examples of the same structure.  You may debate whether the following sentence follows the structure you have in mind (maybe it's not "gerundive" enough), but I think it is generally within the sphere of the sorts of things you are asking about.

The book contained only two paragraphs explaining the cause of the Civil War.

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Clive  #193063  Mon, 06 Feb 06 05:36 AM

Hi guys,

But can "a position" teach English? Well, I have a teaching position. It's pretty adjectival there. Is a position teaching English really a completely different case? 

Best wishes, Clive

  
paco2004  #193066  Mon, 06 Feb 06 05:38 AM
Hello CJ

Thank you for the suggestion. I can rather easily explain the grammar of your sentence with a rule of WHIZ deletion (clause contraction): "The book contained only two paragraphs (which were) explaining the cause of the Civil War". But in the case of my sentence, we need a "queer WHIZ deletion" to explain its grammaticality. "She found a position (which involved) teaching English at a high school". So I have a feeling this sort of phrase, "a position/a job/work --ing",  might be one of ungrammatical idiomatic constructs created by current English speakers.

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