Possessive

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Believer  #299797  Sat, 02 Dec 06 04:31 AM

Hi,

I think there are two schools?? of thought in regard to how to look at the process of determining when to or when not to put an apostrophe in the case of those involving what seems to be possessive cases.

1st school??:

If you are able to replace the  phrase  with 'of', then put an apostrophe:

Lee's family -- The family of Lee

2nd school??:

If you can show it belongs to someone or something, then put an apostrophe.

Lee's family -- The family that belongs to Lee

Personally, I think the first school?? of thought is tenuous and doesn't seem to hold the water when the test time comes. For example, how do I apply the first school?? of thought to these phrases?

the customer satisfaction

In this case, I think we are thinking of the satisfaction of the satisfaction and not the satisfaction belonging to the customer. We are saying 'the satisfaction of the customer' and still no apostrophe is there.

the customer's satisfaction

In this case, I think we are thinking of the phrase possessively -- the satisfaction belonging to the teacher.

I have more cases and the similar reasoning can apply but it gets to be confusing. Help.

... such as supervisor involvement and modeling

... to promote students' comprehension of the book      

  
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Goodman  #299802  Sat, 02 Dec 06 04:57 AM
 Believer wrote:

Hi,

I think there are two schools?? of thought in regard to how to look at the process of determining when to or when not to put an apostrophe in the case of those involving what seems to be possessive cases.

1st school??:

If you are able to replace the  phrase  with 'of', then put an apostrophe:

Lee's family -- The family of Lee

2nd school??:

If you can show it belongs to someone or something, then put an apostrophe.

Lee's family -- The family that belongs to Lee

Personally, I think the first school?? of thought is tenuous and doesn't seem to hold the water when the test time comes. For example, how do I apply the first school?? of thought to these phrases?

the customer satisfaction

In this case, I think we are thinking of the satisfaction of the satisfaction and not the satisfaction belonging to the customer. We are saying 'the satisfaction of the customer' and still no apostrophe is there.

the customer's satisfaction

In this case, I think we are thinking of the phrase possessively -- the satisfaction belonging to the teacher.

I have more cases and the similar reasoning can apply but it gets to be confusing. Help.

... such as supervisor involvement and modeling

... to promote students' comprehension of the book      

Believer,

I don’t believe there are two schools of thought in this topic and I think yo uare making this more complicated than neccessary. When to use the apostrophe really depends more on the context than preference.  Sometimes, we don’t want to use too many “ofs” in a sentence to avoid obscurity to the meaning of the sentence so apostrophe “s” is the best alternative and it's more direct.  Consider this:

 

A -What are you doing this weekend?

B – I am going to [a friend’s birthday party] / [a birthday party of my friend]. Both will work just fine, but the former is preferred.  

 

This house belongs to the Lee’s family – correct

This house belongs to the family of Lee.- it’s grammatically correct, but sounds clumsy.

 

BTW- Customer Satisfaction [ is our goal] is correct.

          Customer's Satisfaction [is our goal]- although it looks correct, but that's not commonly seen.

  
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Believer  #299901  Sat, 02 Dec 06 01:13 PM

Thank you.

I tried to find one other thread where I asked a similar question and that one dealt with basically the same thing except the question involved rather long phrases, I think. I think the one I used is similar to this.

the attendees seminar room

For this, I think that GG said that the apostrophe is not used (that is, it is not made to be possessive) because it is not stating the room belongs to the attendees but merely exhibiting somekind of linkage -- the seminar room is that relates to the attendees.

Could I apply the same line of reasoning to these?

customer satisfaction -- the satisfaction relating to the customer and not the satisfaction belonging to (of) the customer. If it belongs to the customer, then it is proper to write as "the customer's satisfaction."  

publishing company office -- the office that relates to the publishing company and not the office that belongs to it. If it belongs to it, it is proper to write as "the publishing company's office."

But how would you extend this line of reasoning to these I used to pose a question in another thread?

troops pullback   vs.  troops' pullback

next year promotion   vs.  next year's promotion

HELP. 

   

  
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