Possessive Case

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Anonymous  #296511  Thu, 23 Nov 06 03:44 AM

Hi guys, I'm trying to learn the possessive case of a pronoun but I'm stuck on an example from a textbook:
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Using possessive case before gerunds: Do you mind (me, my) borrowing your cell phone?
The answer in the book states: Do you mind my borrowing your cell phone?

-----------Is this correct?--------

Why is it 'my' because to me, 'me' sounds more correct?

And why is 'borrowing' a gerund? I think my brain is about to explode ugh Smile [:)] Pete

(Edited: Sorry Pete - I was trying to get your little smiley to show up correctly and I screwed up the REST of the formatting!)

  
Grammar Geek  #296524  Thu, 23 Nov 06 04:15 AM

Hi Pete,

Yes, your book is correct. I'll leave it to others (or your own research) to look up gerunds, but basically, they look like verbs but are nouns.

You would use my before a noun: my book, my dream, my hamster. So "my borrowing" is correct.

In the real world (that is, outside of grammar books), many people are confused about gerunds so they use the object pronoun (me, etc.) instead of the possessive, in uses such as "I appreciate you coming on such short notice" when it should be "I appreciate YOUR coming..."

Don't let your head explode Smile [:)]

  
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Anonymous  #296584  Thu, 23 Nov 06 07:49 AM
Hi Grammar Geek

mmm having problems with this one really!

but couldn't it be:

Do you mind 'me' .... really talking about me and not about the 'borrowing'?



ED: actually the effect looks like a happy yellow turtle head which is quite nice
  
Cool Breeze  #296618  Thu, 23 Nov 06 10:06 AM
A gerund is neither a verb nor a noun, but a little bit of both. A gerund resembles verbs in that it can take a subject and an object:

I insist on him/his buying a car.

Nouns don't take subjects or objects. You cannot say: I girl her, or: We discussion him. Only verbs can take objects. Since a gerund has substantival qualities as well, its subject can be in the possessive case (my, our, John's etc.) It has long been customary to prefer the possessive form especially in written English when the subject is a personal pronoun:

Can I count on your doing it?
Do you enjoy his talking about his achievements?

In spoken English the object form of the personal pronoun is more common, and the roots of this usage are buried deep in the history of the language:

Can I count on you doing it?
Do you enjoy him talking about his achievements?

When the subject of a gerund is not a personal pronoun, there is a long tradition to use the common case, which corresponds to the object form of personal pronouns as there are no inflected forms in English for nouns acting as objects:

Can I count on John doing it? Can I count on Mr Smith doing it? Can I count on your friends doing it?
Do you enjoy John talking about his achievements?

Since many people think that it is somehow 'better' English to always use the possessive form, the editors of Newsweek International, for instance, have begun to prefer the possessive form even with nouns. There were no signs of this about 30 years ago, but these days one often sees sentences like this:

Do you enjoy John's talking about his achievements?

I suggest you say and write what you think sounds and looks best. You can't please everybody anyway. I must say I would steer clear of sentences like this:

He insisted on my and my brother's coming along.
We relied on everybody's learning it.

For those who insist on the possessive form, there is no other option.

Cheers
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Anonymous  #296695  Thu, 23 Nov 06 01:20 PM
 Grammar Geek wrote:
In the real world (that is, outside of grammar books), many people are confused about gerunds so they use the object pronoun (me, etc.) instead of the possessive, in uses such as "I appreciate you coming on such short notice" when it should be "I appreciate YOUR coming..."


Even more people don't care about "gerunds" or any other syntactic label.  They aren't confused.

/km
  
Anonymous  #297004  Fri, 24 Nov 06 07:26 AM
Hi CB,

Wow, didn't expect such a long reply. Thank you.

Anyway, I understand what you are saying but I will stay clear of those sentences...
  
Anonymous  #544542  Mon, 21 Jul 08 03:54 PM
I know this has to do with gerunds so 'my' is correct as so many people have pointed out. However, you could say "do you mind me, borrowing your cell phone." In that case, 'borrowing' would act as a participle describing "me." It is less colloquial but makes perfect sense. For example, Do you know him, (he) standing over there.
  
Cool Breeze  #544546  Mon, 21 Jul 08 04:08 PM
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I know this has to do with gerunds so 'my' is correct as so many people have pointed out.

 

Those who think the possessive form is required will say: He insisted on English's being spoken.

CB

  
New2grammar  #544564  Mon, 21 Jul 08 04:44 PM


CB, That's another interesting post of yours. Thanks!!!

I have one question. Would you sound pretentious to say the following in everyday conversation?

Cool Breeze
Can I count on your doing it?
Do you enjoy his talking about his achievements?

  
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