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Anonymous  #288013  Wed, 01 Nov 06 12:57 AM
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Singular individual now, last name Roberts.

I seem to be gathering that "Charles Roberts's house" is correct. Is "Charles Roberts' house" patently incorrect? Might this be a matter of personal preference for anyone whose last name ends with an s?
  
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Grammar Geek  #288020  Wed, 01 Nov 06 01:35 AM

Eh... this is a weird area. I'd say it's incorrect, but that's because I follow certain style guides. Since my last name is Davis, this is a matter of more than hypothetical interest to me. I would say "Barbara Davis' post on this thread" is incorrect if someone wrote it about my post. But if Charles wrote that Charles' post was worth reading, I wouldn't correct him on his own name. However, if you hire me as your proofreader, I will "correct" it every time. Smile [:)]

(I'm not too worried about giving away my identity - it's the sixth most common name in the U.S. Even in my tiny town, three people with my name have a library card and four have memberships at the YMCA.)

  
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Cool Breeze  #288167  Wed, 01 Nov 06 10:42 AM
On the whole, I agree with Grammar Geek. It has long been quite common in AE to write Charles' car and Jones' car although some consider them incorrect. As far as I know, in BE people prefer Charles's car and Jones's car. Even in BE, however, classical names are usually in the genitive without the final s: Socrates' thoughts.

As to the plural, there are no exceptions: Mr Roberts, Mrs Roberts and their son are the Robertses. A plural genitive is formed by adding an apostrophe after the plural ending: The Robertses' car.

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Grammar Geek  #288303  Wed, 01 Nov 06 03:56 PM
Socrates, Jesus, and a few other "classics" are treated as special cases in many of the style guides. It's not a completely consistent way to go about things.
  
Anonymous  #296513  Thu, 23 Nov 06 03:49 AM
I'm the same anonymous as before -- I may get around to registering in the near future.

Journalistic style seems to differ from the consensus here; cf this CNN article:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/TV/11/22/sharpton.richard/index.html

It's about Michael Richards's apology to the african-american community, but they continually use "Richards' apology."

I'm sure there's an ironclad code of proper journalistic style, which I am aware is not always in line with mainstream (or even proper) english. Anyone have access to/awareness of that code/guide?  
  
Grammar Geek  #296527  Thu, 23 Nov 06 04:22 AM

Yes, the AP Style Book should be the ruling authority on this. My copy is at work and I am home. Although I have to say, the AP style on this is really odd, which is why my company decided to not follow it for this rule (except on press releases where AP is expected). Repost to this on Monday when I'm back in the office to remind me, and I'll look it up and quote it for you.

  
Anonymous  #459344  Wed, 02 Jan 08 03:32 AM

My daughter and I were just discussing this topic and I found this forum quite helpful. Her name is Eilis (pronounced eye-lish.) Since her name is not historical, I believe the possessive is Eilis's. The pronunciation of the possessive would be "eye-lish-iz" which seems to, again, point to a spelling of Eilis's if I am interpreting that point correctly. She insists on using Eilis' because it is a "special" name. I can't disagree with that...she is pretty special too. Big Smile [:D] Any opinions on which form is correct?

Eilis's Mom (?)

  
Grammar Geek  #459472  Wed, 02 Jan 08 01:33 PM

I would, without hesitation, write it as Eilis's mom.

One of the the other factors to consider (as you have written) is how it's said.

Richards' apologies is said "richards apology" and Eilis's mom is said "eilishiz mom."

Eilis' mom reads like it should be "eye-lish mom" -- and that's just not what's said. No matter how awesome and special she is, she's not Socrates or Moses.

  
Anonymous  #510852  Wed, 07 May 08 03:44 PM

What is the correct possessive from of the proper name Greenberg

  
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