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cacarr  #78850  Sun, 06 Mar 05 07:43 AM
Intersting.

There is much ambiguity in this area.

Phrasal Verbs are easily distinguished from prepositional verbs. Whether or not something is a prepositional verb, as opposed to a freely combined structure, though, can often be debatable.

I like this:

Prepositional passive test:

The teacher called on the student. The student was called on.

We called after the game. The game was called after. *

The preposition is stranded in its post verbal position.

Also, prepositional verbs can have idiomatic meanings that can't be discerned from thier parts.


There are, of course, phrasal-prepositional verbs and other kinds of multi-word verb constructions that are none of the above.
  
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Casi  #78903  Sun, 06 Mar 05 02:01 PM
Phrasal Verbs are easily distinguished from prepositional verbs.


I'm not all that convinced it's so cut 'n dried. Meaning plays a vital role.

She looked over the fence. (adverb; she looked where?)
?The fence was looked over.

She looked over the fence. (direct object)
The fence was looked over. (given the once over, inspected)

Moreover, for the majority of non-native speakers, the acceptability of a passivized sentence is difficult to determine:

She dropped by the house. (adverb; reflexive: she dropped herself by the house)
?The house was dropped by.

She dropped off the keys. (direct object)
The keys were dropped off.

And then there's insertion, and movement to contend with:

She dropped me off the keys. (colloquial; IO "me" / to me) [this is a good test, actually]
She dropped the keys off for me. (dropped off -> keys off) [this test is suspect, though]

If there's an all encompassing test out there that works, I'd love to hear about.



  
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cacarr  #79003  Sun, 06 Mar 05 08:30 PM
I'm trying to think of a prepositional verb that can be split by an object.

1.Call on (visit)

2.Call up (summon)

1. *I called my friends on.

2. I called my friends up.

#2 is a phrasal verb.


Also, I don't beleive that a phrasal verb can divided by an adverb

1.I call frequently on my friends.

2.*I call angrily up my friends.


A phrasal verb particle can't precede a relative pronoun.

1. On which friends did I call?

2. *Up which friends did I call?

  
Casi  #79054  Mon, 07 Mar 05 01:51 AM
I like those tests, Cacarr. Smile [:)]



  
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