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Anewcomer  #496422  Fri, 04 Apr 08 03:38 AM

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I know that many people use this type of sentence " I team up with a boy doing 5 subjects" (participle)  And " I team up with a boy who does 5 subjects"(relative pronoun)

But Can one say? : "I team up with a boy do 5 subjects"    (???)

 I believe the "doing" is participle because it's preceded by a noun and not directly after preposition.

Does this apply to all the sentences with preopositions in this type of context?

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Clive  #496431  Fri, 04 Apr 08 04:26 AM

Hi,

I know that many people use this type of sentence " I team up with a boy doing 5 subjects" (participle)  And " I team up with a boy who does 5 subjects"(relative pronoun)

Yes. You can also say 'I team up with a boy who is doing 5 subjects.

But Can one say? : "I team up with a boy do 5 subjects"    (???) No.

 I believe the "doing" is participle because it's preceded by a noun and not directly after preposition. Think of 'doing 5 subjects' as a shortened form of 'who is doing 5 subjects'.  I don't see that it has anything to do with prepositions.

Does this apply to all the sentences with preopositions in this type of context? What preposition are you talking about in your example? The only one I see is 'up', which just part of the phrasal verb 'team up' .

Best wishes, Clive

  
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Avangi  #496433  Fri, 04 Apr 08 04:27 AM

What's your advice?  (reply) Do five subjects.  This is a stand-alone imperative sentence.   You're looking for a phrase which will modify "boy."  We just happen to have one for you.  It's called a participial phrase.  It begins with a participle, which "do" is not.  We also have a different type of modifier called a relative clause, which begins with a relative conjunction, usually considered third person singular (who does, which does), and again, "do" doesn't fit the bill.

I don't think the presence of the preposition with effects it one way or the other.  "I know a boy doing / who does five subjects."

I'm not sure why you want to use "do."  Even a simple sentence, "This boy does five subjects," can't use "do."  It's the wrong person and number.

  
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Anewcomer  #496435  Fri, 04 Apr 08 04:45 AM
Clive : I mean the preposition "with" -> pronoun/noun (a boy) --> participle/relative pronoun. And also others preposition like, of, from, for,after and all this kind of preposition to introduce a subordinate clause .  I was wondering whether a bare infinitive could be used after the pronoun/noun (a boy), (which i thought to be unlikely, since bare infinitive can't modify pronoun)

 

Avangi: Hey, i know that "a boy" shouldn't use "do" but in this context "a boy" is not a subject and shouldn't use does, however if does is used in the context (context I'm talking about) " I team up with a boy does 5 subjects" it doesn't make sense at all,  unless "who" is included before "does", which I already thought to be true (relative pronoun/clause) and so does the "participle phrase" (doing), which i already know that it's widely used.

  
CalifJim  #496439  Fri, 04 Apr 08 04:59 AM
 It doesn't matter whether there's a preposition present or not.

I team up with a boy ... /  I know a boy ...

Your choices after boy are

who does ...

doing ...

You can't have

who do ...

does ... 

do ...

CJ 

  
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Avangi  #496444  Fri, 04 Apr 08 05:44 AM

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Avangi: Hey, i know that "a boy" shouldn't use "do" but in this context "a boy" is not a subject and shouldn't use does, however if does is used in the context (context I'm talking about) " I team up with a boy does 5 subjects" it doesn't make sense at all,  unless "who" is included before "does", which I already thought to be true (relative pronoun/clause) and so does the "participle phrase" (doing), which i already know that it's widely used.
Hi Anc   -   I wasn't suggesting you use does instead of do in your "third type of construction."  I thought if I understood why you wanted to use "do" it might give me a clue as to what you have in mind.   If you could only give us an example using "do" which you're fairly sure is correct, we might then be able to apply it to the case in hand.   - A.

  
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