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Anonymous  +  953172 Mon, 26 Oct 09 04:41 AM
Hi. I think a present passive tense is that a present tense turned passive. But what I am not sure is that the time frame that is covered in the sentence by the use of either tense is different or not. I think the time frame involved in both tense situations is the same but I am not so sure.

eg,

For the two below, the time frame  seems to be the same (not definite in my assessment).

Joe kicks the ball. (active)

The ball is kicked by Joe (passive)

 

But this pair seems to give a different impression as to the time frames involved (see my comment).

 

Joe does the homework. (active)

The homework is done by homework. (passive)

 

To me, the second one has a feeling of the homework having been completed, no matter how little soon after that might be. For the active sentence, I think the action is in the process of being done. What do you think? 

Mister Micawber  +  953212 Mon, 26 Oct 09 05:52 AM
Well, of course the homework is done by Joe, not by the homework, but I think that the time frames are the same for both voices in the same tense.  I do not get the feeling you do, although I think I know why you get that feeling:  'done' is also used as an adjective of completion.
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Anonymous, 26 days ago

Hi. Thank you so much. Allow me to correct a mistake in my last post.

 

 I wrote:

 

The homework is done by homework. (passive)

 

The sentence I wrote should have been this:

 

The homework is done by Joe. (passive)

dimsumexpress  +  953345 Mon, 26 Oct 09 08:57 AM

Hi

A few comments to your question...

Traditionally, ESL students have been taught passive tense by adding "by" to an agent in the sentence.

This rule can be misleading, or at least proved confusing to some learners.

 

Not all verbs and sentence are passive compatible, at least idiomaically.

For instance:

John tripped over his pants and fell down the stairs.

 

In your passive sentence, "home work was done by Joe" is grammatically correct but you wouldn't catch a native saying it that way. Passive voice is used when an agent is not essential to the sentence, or in situations where agent is intentionally omitted, in other words, not all passive sentences would include an agent.

i.e. Active: Mary cleans her house every week - this focuses on the subject, Mary, who does the cleaning.

     Passive: Mary,s house is cleaned every week- this focuses on the object, her house, which could be cleaned by her or a mate but the agent is hidden. The main point is that "the house is cleaned", not who cleaned it.

 

 

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