Wwwdotcom  +  214212 Tue, 11 Apr 06 03:22 AM "a - I have been living in France for five years." |--(2002-2006)---and continuing------> Why don't you come visit me (in France).  I'm still there. "b - I have lived in France for five years."   |--5years in France (2001-2005)--|--1 year in Spain (2006)--|--5 years in France again (2007-2011)--| I live in Spain now.  I might go back to France and live there for another 5 years.  Then, I will have lived in France for 10 years total. Wwwdotcom Joined on Fri, Sep 30 2005 Kyoto, but originally from Detroit Full Member 336 Present Perfect

	CalifJim  +  214216 Tue, 11 Apr 06 03:47 AM Interpretation b is a highly unusual one.  The 'for' clause is normally read as indicating a period of time which ends at the moment of utterance. CJ CalifJim Joined on Mon, Aug 2 2004 California Veteran Member 22,389 "There are no facts, only interpretations" - Nietzsche Clauses, Present Perfect

	paco2004  +  214220 Tue, 11 Apr 06 04:03 AM  CalifJim wrote: Interpretation b is a highly unusual one.  The 'for' clause is normally read as indicating a period of time which ends at the moment of utterance. Hi CJ So you mean the sentence like below sounds weird to you. Right? I'd like to ask you this just to confirm my understanding. "I have stayed for ten days in Coco Palm in august 2004 for honeymoon" paco paco2004 Joined on Wed, Nov 17 2004 Senior Member 4,095 In Japan today even dogs are learning how to bow-wow in English. Clauses, Present Perfect

	Wwwdotcom  +  214344 Tue, 11 Apr 06 02:25 PM paco2004 and CalifJim, 1. I used for in "WILL have been in___ FOR", future perfect 2. In paco's example he has "I have stayed", present perfect I wouldn't use for in example 2. I don't see how you can say 1 without using for. http://www.englishpage.com/verbpage/futureperfectcontinuous.html  AND http://www.englishpage.com/verbpage/futureperfect.html (all examples use for when talking about duration). Also, 2 is a bit incorrect.  If you are talking about the past, you can't use "have".  I/We stayed in Coco Palm (back) in 2004 for [my/our] honeymoon. Wwwdotcom Present Perfect

	paco2004  +  214440 Tue, 11 Apr 06 08:43 PM Thanks, W3.  I know this sentence is wrong, but I don't think "for ten days" is particularly wrong, although it might sound a bit more formal than "ten days". The point I find weird in the sentence is that it uses the present perfect in combination with "in August 2004", a time adverbial which indicates a specific past time and therefore should be used in combination with the simple past. In fact, the sentence was written by a French person and probably he translated word-word wise into English what he expressed in his language ("J'ai séjourné pendant dix jours dans Coco Palm en august 2004 pour notre lune de miel"). The French phrase "J'ai séjourné" corresponds to "I stayed", not to "I've stayed". paco paco2004 Simple Past, Present Perfect