Present Simple and Perfect

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Penicillin  #285595  Wed, 25 Oct 06 11:04 PM

Hi guys

What's the difference between these two sentences:

- I live in NYC.

- I've lived in NYC.

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Clive  #285600  Wed, 25 Oct 06 11:54 PM

Hi,

What's the difference between these two sentences:

- I live in NYC.

- I've lived in NYC.

#1 - You live there now.

#2 - You lived there at some point in the past, but you don't live there now (unless you say something like I have lived in NYC for 5 years).

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Yoong Liat  #285670  Thu, 26 Oct 06 04:16 AM

Hi Clive

I've lived in NYC.

#2 - You lived there at some point in the past, but you don't live there now (unless you say something like I have lived in NYC for 5 years

Could the sentence be rephrased as follows?

I lived in NYC. (You lived there at some point in the past, but you don't live there now.)

Is there any difference between your sentence and mine?

  
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Tam Sadek  #285678  Thu, 26 Oct 06 04:36 AM
Usually, the choice of Past Simple, or Present Perfect is clear from the context of the exchange.

However, if you want to take the sentence as a minimalist decontextualised concept, then you must use a past time adverbial to qualify it.

I lived there seven years ago/in 1999/during the 1990s...

The past simple refers to past/finished time, whereas the present perfect connects the past with the present... Just think about the context of what you are saying, or the the question you are answering...

Hope that helps...
  
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Goodman  #285698  Thu, 26 Oct 06 05:58 AM
 Yoong Liat wrote:

Hi Clive

I've lived in NYC.

#2 - You lived there at some point in the past, but you don't live there now (unless you say something like I have lived in NYC for 5 years

Could the sentence be rephrased as follows?

I lived in NYC. (You lived there at some point in the past, but you don't live there now.)

Is there any difference between your sentence and mine?

Clive already gave the correct answer. The problem with these sentences is that they lack context and reference.

 

Where do you live now? I live in N.Y. – This present sentence is fine.

Where did you live before you came to Calif ? I lived in N.Y. (before I came to Calif)

Present perfect by rule has a time line starting sometime in the past and extending into present. Therefore this sentence needs a modifier to complete the context. i.e. I have lived in N.Y. since I arrived/ for a few years/ for a long time etc…

 

 

  
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Penicillin  #286477  Sat, 28 Oct 06 04:34 AM
Thanks for replies
  
Pastsimple  #286980  Sun, 29 Oct 06 02:17 PM
 Tam Sadek wrote:
Usually, the choice of Past Simple, or Present Perfect is clear from the context of the exchange. However, if you want to take the sentence as a minimalist decontextualised concept, then you must use a past time adverbial to qualify it. I lived there seven years ago/in 1999/during the 1990s... The past simple refers to past/finished time, whereas the present perfect connects the past with the present... Just think about the context of what you are saying, or the the question you are answering... Hope that helps...


Hi,

does that mean you can never say just "I lived in NYC."?
  
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Clive  #286992  Sun, 29 Oct 06 02:43 PM

Hi,

does that mean you can never say just "I lived in NYC."?

Well, if you just walk into the room and say to me, 'I have seen Tom', I hear the focus on the present time so my instinct is to say something like 'How is he'? But if you walk into the room and say 'I saw Tom', my instinct is to say 'When?'

It's the same thing if you say 'I lived in NYC'.   It makes me want to know 'When?'

Best wishes, Clive

  
Tam Sadek  #287041  Sun, 29 Oct 06 05:06 PM
As Clive's answers points out...

Yes, you can say it, but it will have a different effect on the listener as demonstrated in Clive's answer above.
  
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