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Rahul2689  +  856417 Tue, 11 Aug 09 02:22 AM
Hello teachers

 

Please explain whether it should to consider a take subject or object form for pronouns. 

 

I don't want anybody but SHE/HER working on this project 

Here i think 'BUT' is a conjunction and hence SHE should be used here . But since 'Working' is a gerund here it should be possesive HER nt SHE. Which should i take ??

 

We scored as many goals as THEY/THEM .

here as many as is a preposition and hence it should be THEM because a pronoun after preposition takes an accusative form , but i know many of you would argue it's incorrect as we should complete the sentence to check which pronoun should be used . Well in this case i get THEY as pronoun because when i complete it i get

We scored as many goals  as THEY scored

 

Nobody but HIM/HE was present.

here 'BUT' is a conjunction as it takes a verb after it and hence it should be HE not HIM

 

Rahul is as old as I/ME.

here i should complete the sentence and i get Rahul is as old as I am

but grammarians argue that it's a preposition an hence it should take accusative form i.e ME

 

Please elaborate more on this

 

Regards

 

 
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Mister Micawber  +  856504 Tue, 11 Aug 09 03:46 AM
I don't want anybody but HER working on this projec.  'I don't want...her'.  The pronoun as parallel to verb object.


We scored as many goals as THEY/THEM .-- 'As many as' is not a preposition, but both are acceptable, with 'they' even considered hypercorrect by some now.



Nobody but HIM/HE was present.-- 'But' is also a preposition, and the case of this pronoun can be interpreted either way.


Here is the Random House usage note:


"When 'but' is understood as a conjunction and the pronoun following it is understood as the subject of an incompletely expressed clause, the pronoun is in the subjective case: 'Everyone lost faith in the plan but she (did not lose faith)'. In virtually identical contexts, when 'but' is understood as a preposition, the pronoun following it is in the objective case: 'Everyone lost faith but her'. The prepositional use is more common. However, when prepositional 'but' and its following pronoun occur near the beginning of a sentence, the subjective case often appears: 'Everyone but she lost faith in the plan'.


Rahul is as old as I/ME.-- As with your other 'as...as' example, it depends on the grammarian.  Some find 'me' to casual, while others find 'I' hyperformal.
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Rahul2689  +  856526 Tue, 11 Aug 09 03:58 AM

Thank you

 

 Can you please elaborate more on 'BUT' as a preposition and as a conjunction

 

Mister Micawber
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Nobody but HIM/HE was present.-- 'But' is also a preposition, and the case of this pronoun can be interpreted either way.

 

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 Here which one should we choose . My book gives HIM as the answero

 

Whether i should complete the sentence to identify pronoun or take preposition/conjunction case??

 

Regards
Rahul2689
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Mister Micawber  +  856550 Tue, 11 Aug 09 04:16 AM
I can give you no more useful information than the usage note from Random House that I have already given you.  Did you read that through?  If so, what part did you not understand?
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Rahul2689  +  857466 Tue, 11 Aug 09 07:08 PM
Hello sir

 

The sentence which you mentioned 

 

Everyone lost faith but SHE(did not lose faith)

 Everyone lost faith but HER

 

Here i didnt get which one to use .

How do i come to know if the word is conjunction or preposition.

Should i complete the sentence like We scored as many as goals as They (scored) or should i check if the word is a preposition or a conjunction to see which case should be applied

 

Can we sing as well as THEY/THEM (my book gives the answer as THEM)

You know that as well as I/ME (answer given ME)

We are not as rich as THEY/THEM (answer given THEM)

Book : Wren and Martin

 

What should I conclude???

 

Regards

 

Thank you for helping a lot
Rahul2689
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Mister Micawber  +  857797 Wed, 12 Aug 09 12:18 AM
Use the object pronoun (him, them) in daily writing; use the subject pronoun (he, they) in very formal writing.
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