Pronouns referring to national states

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Bino  #577055  Thu, 16 Oct 08 07:58 PM
What is the gender of national states, or which pronoun do you use to refer to the word "state".
The actual case is the following:

Each of the contracting states shall carry *** own costs associated with the arbitration proceedings

What should the *** be here, "its" or "her" ?
Or what about a "singular their"

Thanks for your comments 
  
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Clive  #577058  Thu, 16 Oct 08 08:31 PM
Hi,
Welcome to the Forum.

What is the gender of national states, or which pronoun do you use to refer to the word "state".
The actual case is the following:

Each of the contracting states shall carry *** own costs associated with the arbitration proceedings

What should the *** be here, "its" or "her" ?
Or what about a "singular their"

Say 'its', although 'their' is often heard as well.


States are occasionally 'personified' in poetic or rhetorical contexts.

Best wishes, Clive
  
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Bino  #577073  Thu, 16 Oct 08 09:20 PM
Thanks Clive,
It seems to me that US newspapers often refer to England and France as "her". I would guess that goes for Canada as well.
I tend to prefer "its" over "her" too in this case where the reference is back to the impersonal "each of the states", so thanks for the affirmation.
I am pleased to hear that you think it is ok to use "their" although the use of "singular they/their" may not be clear-cut in this example.
If anybody else is a supporter of "singular they/their", would you use it (always/never/sometimes) when referring to a national state, a town or similar, e.g. "Middletown must buy their own fire engine"
Best regards, Bino
  
Grammar Geek  #577076  Thu, 16 Oct 08 09:32 PM

Hi Bino,

Two comments: The more poetic "she" or "her" is used when we know which country is being discussed. In a general discussion about "any and all states" then the neutral "its" is the only one that is appropriate.

 The singular "they/their" is used when you don't know the sex of the person who is being talked about. A person will have a sex, even if you don't know what it is, so the gender-neutral "they" can save embarrassment later. A city does not have a gender, so their is no need for a single-gender-neutral pronoun. That said, if you think of the city as a collection of individuals (or even as the members of the town council), then you can use "they" thinking of the people. I tend to write "they" when I refer to a city, and my editor always corrects it back to "its."

  
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