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Yankee  +  699724 Tue, 21 Apr 09 01:55 PM
Mr. Tom
“The two pronunciations for the word opportunity [oppor-too-nity and oppor-chu-nity] are available in English Pronouncing Dictionary by Daniel Jones.”
Are you saying that Daniel Jones does not even mention the "British" pronunciation you see in the following link? (I would find that hard to believe.)

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?dict=CALD&key=55715&ph=on


Cambridge represents the pronunciation of the third syllable phonetically as "tju", which is exactly the sound I was talking about when I wrote "tyu". To me, there is very definitely no CH sound there -- the "tju" pronunciation would have a T sound followed by something that sounds like the word "you".


I guess I just can't fathom anyone saying the word "opportunity" with a CH-sound rather than a T-sound.


EDIT:

I can imagine describing the "tu" part of the word "fortune" as having an initial "ch" sound, but not the "tu" part of the word "opportunity".

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Grammar Geek  +  699733 Tue, 21 Apr 09 02:48 PM
So in Pakistan, the word "stupid" is pronounced "schtoopid"?

 

I guess they'd all have an easy time learning Yiddish.

 

I have to admit - I'm astonished by this thread. I'm with Amy. I can't imagine "opper-chu-nitty."

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Both are correct. The "tu" syllables in opportunity, attitude and prostitution all have primary or preferred pronunciations of "too" AND secondary or alternate pronunciations of "tyoo."
khoff  +  699754 Tue, 21 Apr 09 03:49 PM
If you think "opporchunity" is hard to imagine, try "prositchution."   I think the reason we American English speakers are so befuddled by this is that's it's easy to imagine why a dialect would adopt a variation of (what we consider) standard pronunciation if it makes the word easier to pronounce -- but to me, at least, this version just seems much harder to pronounce.
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Yankee  +  699772 Tue, 21 Apr 09 04:37 PM
Mr. Tom
“I would also  like to add that many educated people in Pakistan overpronounce the chu -sound  in words like stupid, attitude, students etc.

Tom, are you saying that the pronunciations common in Pakistan would be like (a) and never like (b) in both of the following? Or are you saying that (a) would be the "overpronunciation" you mentioned?


stupid:

(a) s-chew  pid

(b) st-you  pid


students:

(a) s-chew  dents

(b) st-you  dents


For some reason the idea of saying "atti-chewed" hits me squarely in the funny bone.



nona the brit  +  699795 Tue, 21 Apr 09 06:06 PM
Oh dear, I'm a definite 'chewer' in all of the words mentioned. I guess I'd sound quite funny to you all....

 

It's pretty common in British accents. <img src= Whisper" src="http://www.englishforums.com/emoticons/emotion-17.gif" mce_src="http://www.englishforums.com/emoticons/emotion-17.gif">

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Yankee  +  699809 Tue, 21 Apr 09 07:03 PM
Thanks, Nona!


This has got me thinking of all sorts of possibilities for alternative spellings as well as alternative pronunciations. 

We could start spelling Massachusetts as "Massatusetts" and still end up with the same pronunciation on the right side of the pond.

And wouldn't the name Tucson, Arizona sound interesting if it begain with a "Chew"?


Mr. Tom  +  699813 Tue, 21 Apr 09 07:18 PM

Sorry, Amy, I couldn't get my point across.

 

Daniel Jones also mentions the chu-sound for the word "opportunity" along with other pronunciations.

 

See, the same case is with:

 

Mature and immature--many, many people here use ch-sound for both.

 

Tom

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Mr. Tom  +  699820 Tue, 21 Apr 09 07:57 PM

Three common pronunciations for the students in my neck of the woods are:

 

*stoo-dents

*schoo-dents

*styo-dents.

 

Can I swerve a bit?

 

Here we pronounce maximum and absorb with a z-sound.

 

Maximum: mag-zimum

Absorb:  ab-zorb

 

But, of course, eraser can be pronounced with either a z-sound or s-sound...right?

 

Tom

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