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Taka  +  119640 Tue, 19 Jul 05 07:20 PM
The emphasis in intercultural communication studies is on cultural rules for regulationg communicative interaction. For instance, international students who attend public schools and universities in Canada and the United States often experience difficulties associated with communicative interaction in classroom.


Does 'public' above modify both 'schools' and 'universities'? Or does it modify 'schools' only?

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maverick88  +  119649 Tue, 19 Jul 05 09:35 PM

I don't think I can help you much, Taka, but I think that if the writer meant that univirsities are public as well then it modifies them both and if it's only the schools that are public then it modifies "schools" only. I don't know if there's such thing "public unibersities" so I can't tell for sure Smile [:)]

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davkett  +  119653 Tue, 19 Jul 05 09:49 PM

This may turn out to be unanswerable grammatically.

From http://www.answers.com/topic/public-university :

A public university is an institution of higher education that is funded by public means through a national or regional government. In Australia, Canada, Germany, the United Kingdom and other countries in Europe, most significant universities are public, while in the United States and Japan, both public and private universities are common. In communist countries such as China and Cuba, virtually all universities are state-run.

(There also appears to be a couple of typos in your quoted sentence.)

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Clive  +  119662 Tue, 19 Jul 05 10:09 PM

Hi,

The situation in Britain is that a 'public school' is in fact a private one. These are usually exclusive and expensive places to send your child. They are primarily boarding schools, meaning the students live, eat  and sleep there. Perhaps the most famous is Eton. The other kind of schools are termed 'state schools'.

Taka, perhaps you are asking more generally about adjectives that precede two nouns linked by 'and'. As a general rule, I feel the adjective would apply to both, unless the meaning and context made it apparent that it only applied to the first noun.

There is a magazine,  for example, called 'Beautiful Homes and Gardens'. I would expect articles about both beautiful homes and beautiful gardens.

Best wishes, Clive

 

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Taka  +  119737 Wed, 20 Jul 05 04:25 AM
Taka, perhaps you are asking more generally about adjectives that precede two nouns linked by 'and'. As a general rule, I feel the adjective would apply to both, unless the meaning and context made it apparent that it only applied to the first noun.


I know generally the adjective would apply to both, but I wonder if such difficulty arises only in public universities in Canada and the U.S...That's why I asked the question.

(Presumably, such difficulty rarely occurs in private elementary/high schools as there is not much cultural diversity in there. But in universities, whether private or public, I think there are many international students.)
Clive  +  119853 Wed, 20 Jul 05 03:58 PM

Hi Taka,

I tend to read the paragraphs you offer as just exercises in grammar, which is perhaps a bad habit. Now that I'v read this to think about the meaning, it seems to me that the author could have just omitted the word 'public'. Although it's possible, I don't see any sign that he is making the finer kind of distinction you suggest, about excluding private schools.

Betst wishes, Clive

(Back to grammar - 'in classroom' should be 'in class', or 'in classrooms' or 'in the classroom'.)

Taka  +  119862 Wed, 20 Jul 05 04:28 PM
OK. Thank you, Clive (maybe the author used the word 'public' as something like 'the places everybody goes to', now I've come to think).

'in classroom' should be 'in class', or 'in classrooms'


A couple of typos there are, as davkett says. Sorry, the original text says 'in classrooms.' It was my fault.
davkett  +  119864 Wed, 20 Jul 05 04:50 PM

Taka,

   The reason I quoted from the website is that Canada was mentioned.  And I thought that maybe your question required more than a grammatical speculation,--speculation is the only way to approach this one.  I thought you might have had a practical need to know, not a theoretical need.

Are you not a teacher with responsibilities to students, some of which responsibilities may be advising students on international study opportunities in Canada?

Taka  +  119865 Wed, 20 Jul 05 04:56 PM
The reason I quoted from the website is that Canada was mentioned.


I know. Thank you. But the author is talking about both Canadian and American universities. So I think his/her 'public' is less specific and broader in its meaning.
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