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Eddie88  +  595153 Wed, 26 Nov 08 06:58 AM
Wow! Your knowledge is incredible! (:O) Surprise

I somehow understood eveything you said, thanks. Except for when you said this:

We have become friends sharing passions. ...   where the "friends sharing passions..." is the direct object of the verb. Friends is the subject of the gerund phrase.

1)   In bold, friends sharing passions is the object of what verb? Have become?

2)   Also, when you have a verb form, but it is the ing form; is it always a non-finite/verbal, which means it is a phrase-either a gerund or particple?

3)   Additionally, have I punctuated the sentence above correctly?

Also, when you have a verb form=conjunctive adverb  and subordinate clause
,but it is the ing form=coordinating conjunction and independent clause
;is it always a non finite/verbal=this is the question, but it is still an indep. clause, so it needs more than a comma to separate it from the preceding clause, correct?
which means (that) it is a phrase=relative clause?? two relative clauses??
either a gerund or paticiple=???

Sorry for going off-track slightly- (I am) just making the most of your expertise(:D) Big Smile

4)  Lastly, see this is another major question of mine, too, haha! After the hyphen, it is an independent clause with the subject and linking verb omitted, correct? (I am). Is it now a phrase and therefore a hyphen or comma is correct to seperate it from the main clause?

Thanks so much!!
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AlpheccaStars  +  595888 Wed, 26 Nov 08 08:06 PM
Eddie88
“We have become friends sharing passions. ...   where the "friends sharing passions..." is the direct object of the verb. Friends is the subject of the gerund phrase.

1)   In bold, friends sharing passions is the object of what verb? Have become?

>> Yes. We have become good friends. (Friends is the direct object of "have become"). The difference between a gerund and a participle is that a gerund functions as a noun. It can be subject, or object. 

Barking loudly was my dog's worst habit. >>  Barking is the subject.

I was annoyed by my dog's barking loudly late at night.  >>  Barking is the direct object.  The neat thing about gerunds is that they keep some of their verb qualities. So they can have subjects, objects, and adverbs. The subject of a gerund is usually in possessive case, as in the sentence above. But sometimes we don't use the possessive case: 

 I was annoyed by the dog barking loudly late at night.

2)   Also, when you have a verb form, but it is the ing form; is it always a non-finite/verbal, which means it is a phrase-either a gerund or particple?

>> The -ing form can be part of a verb phrase - progressive tenses, or a participle (adjective), or a gerund.

The dog was barking.   (past progressive)

The barking dog frightened the little girl. (participle)

Barking fiercely at the intruder, the dog scared him away. (participle phrase)

See above for gerunds.

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AlpheccaStars  +  595901 Wed, 26 Nov 08 08:30 PM
Eddie88
“3)   Additionally, have I punctuated the sentence above correctly?

Also, when you have a verb form=conjunctive adverb  and subordinate clause
,but it is the ing form=coordinating conjunction and independent clause
;is it always a non finite/verbal=this is the question, but it is still an indep. clause, so it needs more than a comma to separate it from the preceding clause, correct?
which means (that) it is a phrase=relative clause?? two relative clauses??
either a gerund or paticiple=???”
 

I really don't understand your question, since a verb form is not a conjunctive adjective, or clause. 

There is no comma before the gerund phrase.

A clause has a subject and verb, a phrase does not.  

Walking fast for 30 minutes several times a week in the park or on the beach is good for your health and your mental attitude.

There is only one clause in this sentence, but there are many phrases. The only verb is "is".

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Eddie88  +  596076 Wed, 26 Nov 08 11:24 PM
Hi,

Thanks again, very clear to understand!

I don't think you understand my last question; I know what a clause is. I am just asking if you can punctuate the sentence as I had broken down the parts of the sentence into their clauses and phrases, correctly or incorrectly I don't know.

Here is the sentence:

Also, when you have a verb form, and it is the ing form; is it always a non-finite/verbal, which means it is a phrase-either a gerund or particple?

So, I was asking if you could please punctuate this sentence correctly. The reason I want to know if they are clauses or phrases is because it is easier to punctuate.

Here is the sentence broken down into what I believe is its parts-please help me punctuate this correctly and name the parts, thanks. The rest of your answer was A grade perfect!(:D) Big Smile


Also -- conjunctive adverb

when you have a verb form,- followed by a subodinate clause and a comma (to show dependent clause, independent clause)

and it is the ing form; is the independent clause followed by a semicolon to separate the two independent clause (indep; indep clause)

is it always a non-finite/verbal,-is a question and is a independent clause followed by a comma to separate non essential info.

which means it is a phrase- what is this group of words called, if anything?

either a gerund or particple?-what is this group of words called, if anything? AND when you ask a question the question mark is always at the end even if a question may appear in the middle of the sentence like above (is it always a non-finite/verbal).

Is what I have correct?

Thanks again.
Eddie88
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AlpheccaStars  +  596108 Wed, 26 Nov 08 11:57 PM
Here is better punctuation:

Also, when you have a verb form (no comma) and it is the ing form, (comma) is it always a non-finite/verbal (no comma)  which means it is a phrase -either a gerund or particple?

The main clause is: is it always a non-finite/verbal

Introductory dependent clauses. There are 2, with the same subordinating conjunction (when) joined by "and". I would interpret "also" as a simple adverb, as in I am going also. :

 Also, when (conjunction - subordinating) you have a verb form and (when) it is the ing form,

 I would actually end the question before the next clauses, and make a following question. 

Does this mean that is either a gerund or participial phrase?

However, you have written it as a relative clause

 which (relative pronoun, subject)  means (verb)

(that) - omitted (relative pronoun)

it is a phrase (clause, direct object of verb "means") 

 either a gerund or particple - I would call this an appositive phrase, since it is a restatement of "phrase".

 
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Eddie88  +  596135 Thu, 27 Nov 08 12:32 AM
That is so helpful!!!

My first mistake was that I forgot that the second when is omitted, and therefore, I took it as an independent clause instead of a dependent clause. Hence the comma. Thanks for clearing that up.

1)   You say that which is the relative pronoun. Does the pronoun not have to be the antecedent of the noun? What is the noun as which does not seem to re-state the noun? I didn't feel it was a relative clause. Can you please explain why I am wrong to say which is not the pronoun of the antecedent. 

Otherwise I understood everything, thanks.(:D) Big Smile



2)   Hence the comma- In bold above, is this the right way to use hence? Hence means 'therefore.' So it doesn't sound right saying 'therefore the comma' but I here people say it like that all the time... I know not to say 'hence why' as this is incorrect. I know to use it like this: I spent all my money. Hence, I worked for the whole week.

Thanks again for the clarity in your answers!
Eddie88
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