Some questions about the word "Ironic" or "Irony"

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Absentx  #320470  Fri, 26 Jan 07 11:36 PM

Okay, I had an argument with a few friends last night about the meaning of the word ironic.

Could someone tell me if the following two situations would be classified as "ironic"

1. Driving in a vehicle, you and the person in the car with you are discussing car accidents, as you are discussing it, the two cars in front of you get in a crash.

2. You and a co worker are discussing your dislike for the smell of smoke, immediately smoke begins to role into the room.

Are either of these situations Ironic?

  
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Marius Hancu  #320479  Sat, 27 Jan 07 12:05 AM
A situation isn't generally ironic, a person could be.

Only something using meaning 3 here could make a situation/state "ironic, in the way/fact that it happened":

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ironic
 
adj.

   1. Characterized by or constituting irony.
   2. Given to the use of irony. See synonyms at sarcastic.
   3. Poignantly contrary to what was expected or intended: madness, an ironic fate for such a clear thinker.

http://www.answers.com/ironic
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In that (meaning 3 above) the happenings in your sentences could be seen by some as ironic.

However, I do not think they are. They are unexpected, surprising or coincidental, OK, but to say that it is ironic that they happened, a note of absurd is required, in order to generate the sarcasm (as in the example at 3 above).

Even more, other dictionaries don't even support  the interpretation at 3 in the above, and insist on the sarcasm, which is the original meaning:

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iron·ic   

1 : of or relating to irony : containing, expressing, or constituting irony <an ironic remark> <it was ironic that he should enter then>

2 : addicted to the use of irony : given to irony <a very ironic man>

3 obsolete : DISSEMBLING, PRETENDED

synonym see SARCASTIC


http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com

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Marius Hancu  #320496  Sat, 27 Jan 07 02:37 AM
OK, I've found a dictionary which explains it better:
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ironic

If you say that it is ironic that something should happen, you mean that it is odd or amusing because it involves a contrast.

Does he not find it ironic that the sort of people his movie celebrates hardly ever watch this sort of movie?

Cobuild English Dictionary for Advanced Learners
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I don't think the two situations described in the original posting satisfy the definitions here. Again, just coincidences.

However, a modification of the 2nd:

2. You and a co-worker are discussing your dislike for the smell of smoke, and all of a sudden you both start smoking.

would be satisfactory. I would find that ironic.



  
Grammar Geek  #320521  Sat, 27 Jan 07 04:35 AM
Actually, I used the word "ironic" today at work. We were talking to our corporate lawyer about protecting a new product name with a registered service mark, and the lawyer said "What if someone only Xeroxed the front page?" Because "Xerox" is still a protected name, the proper thing to say is "a photocopy," not a "Xerox." I pointed out that it was a ironic that we were talking about protecting our service mark and in doing so he casually violated someone else's mark. It was a contrast to what would have been expected. (Now, if it turns out that one of his other clients was also in the process of getting a service mark registered, that would have only been a coincidence.)
  
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