"be" in questions in the future or present perfect simple / conditional

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Pastsimple  #290734  Wed, 08 Nov 06 03:53 PM
Hi,

I've heard people say:

"What would/will be the result if.... ?" and "What would/will the result be if...?"

Which sentence do you think is the more natural one? I like the former better.

Other examples:

What will be the next holiday in the US? / What will the next holiday in the US be?

What have been the effects of September 11? / What have the effects of September 11 been?

I do use the former sentences from each pair, however, aren't they - strictly speaking - grammaticaly incorrect? Wink [;)] E.g.  you can't say "Where will be you?".

Also, I guess the reason why I find the first sentences much "better" is that will (or have) and be (or been) are too far apart in the second sentences.


Thank you in advance.

  
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Marius Hancu  #290740  Wed, 08 Nov 06 04:03 PM
Both are correct and used.

Try some searches at the New York Times with:
"what would be the result if"
(use quotation marks)
whenever you have such questions.

They have good editors.

See:

3 Results:
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CalifJim  #290836  Wed, 08 Nov 06 09:05 PM
Equative sentences have the term to be identified first, a form of BE, and then the term which identifies the first term.

The result is XYZ identifies the result in terms of XYZ; it specifies the result as XYZ.
XYZ is the result identifies XYZ as the result (as opposed to a cause, for example).

Compare:

The president of the club is Mrs. Smith identifies the president of the club as a position held by Mrs. Smith.
Mrs. Smith is the president of the club identifies Mrs. Smith by saying she is the president of the club.
____________

What will the result be if ... asks for the identifying information that specifies the result.  (Inversion of The result will be what?) (Ans:  The result will be ... if ...)
What will be the result if ... asks for the the entity being identified as the result.  (Ans:  ... will be the result if ...)

Compare:

Who will the president of the club be?
  (Ans: The president of the club will be ...)
Who will be the president of the club?  (Ans: ... will be the president of the club.)

In short, it somewhat depends on what order of terms you imagine in the expected answer.

In my opinion, the first is most commonly what we are asking, but the difference is almost too subtle in many cases to be overly concerned about it.  I realize this is not your opinion, but I guess the straggling be doesn't bother me!*  Smile [:)]

(The Where will you be? case is different.  It's not equative.  where is an adverb of location, so this is not a noun = noun situation.)

*aren't they - strictly speaking - grammaticaly incorrect?

I'm inclined to agree that they are grammatically incorrect, but the exact speaker meaning can bend this a bit.  Some flexibility in interpretation is sometimes possible.

CJ

  
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Pastsimple  #290838  Wed, 08 Nov 06 09:20 PM
CJ, thanks for the informative answer!

Who will the president of the club be?  (Ans: The president of the club will be ...)
Who will be the president of the club?  (Ans: ... will be the president of the club.)


In short, it somewhat depends on what order of terms you imagine in the expected answer.

Can I answer either of those two with just "Mrs. Smith?" Seems OK to me. Smile [:)]

In my opinion, the first is most commonly what we are asking, but the difference is almost too subtle in many cases to be overly concerned about it.  I realize this is not your opinion, but I guess the straggling be doesn't bother me!  Smile <img src=">

Well, you are the native speaker here, which means I've just given up bothering as well. Smile [:)]


  
CalifJim  #290999  Thu, 09 Nov 06 07:00 AM
Can I answer either of those two with just "Mrs. Smith?"

Of course!  But then no one will ever know whether you meant "Mrs. Smith will be ..." or "... will be Mrs. Smith"!  Wink [;)]

CJ

  
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