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Quotations, commas, and capitalization

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Anonymous  #474527  Fri, 08 Feb 08 08:35 PM

I am confused about two things when using quotations.

 

First, how do you know when to put a comma after the word just before the quotation begins?

 

Second, how do you know whether or not to capitalize the first word of a quotation?

 

For example, which of the following sentences are correct, and why? Which are incorrect, and why?

 

Option 1. After a while, he said, “The scars will fade.”

Option 2. After a while, he said, “the scars will fade.”

Option 3. After a while, he said “The scars will fade.”

Option 4. After a while, he said “The scars will fade.”

  
Grammar Geek  #474539  Fri, 08 Feb 08 09:22 PM

Option 2 - you DO put the comma right before the quote and you DO start the quoted material with a capital letter.

  
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Yoong Liat  #474544  Fri, 08 Feb 08 09:41 PM
 Grammar Geek wrote:

Option 2 - you DO put the comma right before the quote and you DO start the quoted material with a capital letter.

Hi Barbara

It should be option 1.

Option 1. After a while, he said, “The scars will fade.” (You DO start the quoted material with a capital letter.)

Option 2. After a while, he said, “the scars will fade.”  ( In this sentence, the quoted material doesn't start with a capital letter.)

  
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Akavall  #474569  Fri, 08 Feb 08 10:46 PM

 Would a colon be acceptable?

After a while, he said: “The scars will fade.”

  
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Yoong Liat  #474720  Sat, 09 Feb 08 07:26 AM
 Akavall wrote:

 Would a colon be acceptable?

After a while, he said: “The scars will fade.”

Yes. The following is an example. I think the colon is used in AmE, wheres in BrE a comma is used.

After feeling discouraged and behind 25 points in the last basketball championship game, the coach was reminded of something Winston Churchill once said: "Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees all others."

  
Scribbler  #474744  Sat, 09 Feb 08 10:05 AM

What about in a sentence such as:

But ultimately, he said, “success really does build success.”

or

Ultimately, he said, “the war machinery that uses force will benefit more in the long term,” stressing that it must be considered how the people evaluating the actions of the military will judge its actions.

Each of these examples came from articles published online by well-known U.S. colleges. Is it correct NOT to capitalize the first letter in the quotation in these cases? If so, why is capitalization not required here, while it IS required in After a while, he said, "The scars will fade."? Huh? [:^)]

  
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Yoong Liat  #474806  Sat, 09 Feb 08 11:28 AM
 Scribbler wrote:

What about in a sentence such as:

But ultimately, he said, “success really does build success.”  (Same as stated below.)

or

Ultimately, he said, “the war machinery that uses force will benefit more in the long term,” stressing that it must be considered how the people evaluating the actions of the military will judge its actions. (No capital is needed if the writer is not quoting all that is said by the speaker. In other words, there are some words left out before 'the war machinery'.)

Each of these examples came from articles published online by well-known U.S. colleges. Is it correct NOT to capitalize the first letter in the quotation in these cases? If so, why is capitalization not required here, while it IS required in After a while, he said, "The scars will fade."? Huh? [:^)]

  
Grammar Geek  #475380  Sun, 10 Feb 08 09:07 PM
Sorry - I had a very small window and got mixed up. Yes, I meant Option 1.

I don't know where this idea about the colon being American English came from. I never use a colon to introduce a simple quote.
  
Akavall  #475382  Sun, 10 Feb 08 09:28 PM
Maybe the colon use is not American, but is it OK to use it?

According to wikipedia (on colon usage):

"segmental: introduces a direct speech, in combination with quotation marks and dashes.

..

Julian Duguid, author of Green Hell (1931), starts his book boldly: “When a man yields to the urge of Ishmael . . .” "

So it seems that colon works too, but I am not sure that the example here and the one on wikipedia are dealing with identical situations.
  
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