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Anonymous  #542566  Wed, 16 Jul 08 09:25 PM
HI,

I didn't realize I had left my wallet at home until I got there by taxi.

Can I use 'find out' or 'learn' instead of 'realize' here? If yes, is there any subtle difference among them?

Thanks.

  
Mr Wordy  #542599  Wed, 16 Jul 08 10:46 PM

This would be my usage, I think:

You suddenly remembered that you'd left it at home: realize.

You tried to get it out of your pocket, handbag, etc. and discovered it wasn't there: find out, discover or realize.

Someone else told you that you'd left it at home, or you discovered the fact through some similarly indirect method: find out or learn.

  
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Anonymous  #543198  Fri, 18 Jul 08 07:36 PM
Hi Mr Wordy,

Thank you very much for your kind reply.

Can I say
'I found out/learned the news by reading the newspaper or reading something else/by watching TV'?

To find out more, visit our website.
Are 'learn', 'discover' or 'realize' fine here?

Thanks a lot.

  
Mr Wordy  #543242  Fri, 18 Jul 08 11:08 PM

I found out/learned/discovered the news by reading the newspaper/by watching TV -- to me, these are not massively natural things to say, but are all OK I guess, provided that "the news" refers to a particular item of news. The sentence doesn't really work if "the news" is meant as "the news in general". "Realize" does not work here.

To find out/learn/discover more, visit our website. -- all OK, though "discover" seems a bit pretentious to me (sounds like marketing hyperbole). "Realize" does not work here.

  
Anonymous  #543635  Sat, 19 Jul 08 08:07 PM
Hi Mr Wordy,

Thank you very much for your explanation.

"Someone else told you that you'd left it at home, or you discovered the fact through some similarly indirect method: find out or learn."

Can I use 'discover' here, too?

How do you say it if "the news" is meant as "the news in general"?
 
Thanks a lot.

  
Mr Wordy  #543704  Sat, 19 Jul 08 11:04 PM

Anonymous
"Someone else told you that you'd left it at home, or you discovered the fact through some similarly indirect method: find out or learn."

Can I use 'discover' here, too?

Yep, I guess so. That was probably an oversight on my part.

Anonymous
How do you say it if "the news" is meant as "the news in general"?

I think I would just say "I read the newspaper" or "I watched the news on TV". It's obvious that I would find out about the news in general by doing this, so I don't think I'd feel the need to explicitly say so.

To indicate that this was a general habit, I might say something like "I keep up with the news by reading the paper/watching the bulletins on TV".

  
Anonymous  #544046  Sun, 20 Jul 08 03:16 PM
Hi Mr Wordy,

Many thanks for your helpful reply.

"I'll call and ask Mary to learn/discover/find out if she will come over tonight."

Are 'learn', 'discover' and 'find out' all fine here?

Thank you very much.

  
Mr Wordy  #544099  Sun, 20 Jul 08 05:58 PM

"Find out" is the most likely choice. However, you wouldn't normally say "... call and ask Mary to find out ...". You would just say:

I'll call Mary to find out if she'll come over tonight.

(Or you could say: I'll call and ask Mary if she'll come over tonight or I'll call Mary and ask her if she'll come over tonight.)

In this sentence, "discover" and "learn" are not impossible but are less likely.

  
Anonymous  #544112  Sun, 20 Jul 08 07:43 PM
Hi Mr Wordy,

Thank you very much for your great help.
Do you mean 'discover' and 'learn' are OK or not natural to use in the sentence "I'll call Mary to discover/learn if she will come over tonight"?

Thanks a lot.

  
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