We have partnered with TradePub to bring you free industry magazines and resources - no coupons or credit cards required!
Visit: englishforums.tradepub.com
|
|
|
|
|
|
LeicesterLad
+
190602
Sun, 29 Jan 06 11:59 PM
I don't think I'd recommend learning the Newcastle accent if you want to learn a British regional accent. Its often reckoned to be one of the most difficult of accents to understand - not only for non British, but for many British themselves! There are both vowel and consonant sounds that are unique to the area, one of the most distinctive being how they say the "t" sound in a word like "butter". Try simultaneously combining a glottal stop (creating a "vowel" by closing the throat) with saying the letter "d". That's the best way I can describe it! The only other language group I know that use anything like this sound are the south east Asian languages of Malaysia and Indonesia - though a language expert may know others.
I think the accent is regarded with affection in the UK - people like its "sing-song" quality. I'm surprised you described it as posh and sophisticated though! - thats not how it is thought of in the UK! It's thought to be influenced by the nordic languages (esp Norwegian and Danish) and is a legacy of the Viking invasions on that coast during the 8th-10th centuries.
The actor who played Billy Elliot - Jamie Bell - is actually from Billingham, a town about 50km south of Newcastle. Not far I know, but far enough to make a difference in England! The accent is a little like that of Newcastle, but perhaps less extreme.
I think the best thing when learning British English would be to use the accent of the south-east of England. This is the most easily understood internationally, and is what most people imagine when they think of a "British" accent. I think the only good reason for learning the Newcastle accent (and dialect) is if you were living there and wanted to understand the locals!
I Hope this helps!
Joined on
Fri, Sep 16 2005
N E England (Orig from Leicester)
Junior Member
81
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Tallulah Tam
+
191582
Wed, 01 Feb 06 10:31 PM
Here is a lament by Professor Higgins, (who should have known better than to use the word "hung " in that particular context) on the lack of parity in spoken English.
Henry, 'Look at her, a prisoner of the gutter, Condemned by every syllable she ever uttered. By law she should be taken out and hung, For the cold-blooded murder of the English tongue.'
Eliza, 'Aaoooww!
Henry, ( imitating her) 'Aaoooww! Heaven's! What a noise! This is what the British population, Calls an elementary education.
Pickering 'Oh, Counsel, I think you picked a poor example.
Henry Did I? Hear them down in Soho square, Dropping "h's" everywhere. Speaking English anyway they like. You sir, did you go to school?
Man 'Wadaya tike me for, a fool?'
Henry, No one taught him 'take' instead of 'tike! Why can't the English teach their children how to speak? This verbal class distinction, by now, Should be antique. If you spoke as she does, sir, Instead of the way you do, Why, you might be selling flowers, too! Hear a Yorkshireman, or worse, Hear a Cornishman converse, I'd rather hear a choir singing flat. Chickens cackling in a barn Just like this one!
Eliza 'Garn!'
Henry 'I ask you, sir, what sort of word is that? It's "Aoooow" and "Garn" that keep her in her place. Not her wretched clothes and dirty face. Why can't the English teach their children how to speak? This verbal class distinction by now should be antique. If you spoke as she does, sir, Instead of the way you do, Why, you might be selling flowers, too. An Englishman's way of speaking absolutely classifies him, The moment he talks he makes some other Englishman despise him. One common language I'm afraid we'll never get. Oh, why can't the English learn to set A good example to people whose English is painful to your ears? The Scotch and the Irish leave you close to tears. There even are places where English completely disappears. In America, they haven't used it for years! Why can't the English teach their children how to speak? Norwegians learn Norwegian; the Greeks have taught their Greek. In France every Frenchman knows his language from "A" to "Zed" The French never care what they do, actually, as long as they pronounce in properly. Arabians learn Arabian with the speed of summer lightning. And Hebrews learn it backwards, which is absolutely frightening. But use proper English you're regarded as a freak. Why can't the English, Why can't the English learn to speak?
Joined on
Sun, Jul 17 2005
Alabama, USA (British)
Full Member
234
If at first you don't succeed sky-diving is not for you.
|
|
|
|
|
Anonymous,
3 yr 265 days ago
I think a good example of an American using a British accent is Jennifer Ehle in the 1995 mini-series version of Pride and Prejudice (the one with Colin Firth).
Anonymous,
3 yr 265 days ago
|
Hi , thanks
Just i want to know this word pronunciation ( anonymous ) ok if possiable to tell me it pronunciation thanks alot once again |
|
|
Anonymous,
3 yr 262 days ago
Received Pronunciation or RP is a term used to describe the "very proper British accent". It is only actually spoken by about ten percent of the British population. Some examples are most recent Prime Ministers, the Royal family and many BBC radio comentators. I am sure you can find more detailed information if you search online.
Here is the definition of Mid-Atlantic English from Wikipedia online; there is a wealth of other information on the definition page that you may want to read.
Mid-Atlantic English describes a version of the English language which is neither predominantly American or British in usage. It is also used to describe various forms of North American speech that have assimilated some British pronunciations. These pronunciations once had some currency in theatre and film, and were also found among members of the upper classes of society.
I hope this was helpful. Good luck!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Colombo
+
224568
Thu, 11 May 06 04:16 PM
Tallulah Tam wrote: | |
Here is a lament by Professor Higgins, (who should have known better than to use the word "hung " in that particular context) on the lack of parity in spoken English.
|
|
(By the way, doesn't Higgins' sentence "I'd be equally as willing for a dentist to be drilling than to ever let a woman in my life" sound queer, too?)
Speaking of different British accents, can anybody tell me whether George Harrison's accent is different from that of the other Beatles? Althouhg I notice similarities it seems a little different to me, both singing and speaking. I cannot tell whether it's a matter of how he pronounces certain sounds, or of the intonation of the whole sentences, but I like his accent more than the others' (or more than anybody else's).
Thanks!
Joined on
Fri, May 5 2006
Spain
Junior Member
82
Trying to learn English
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Tallulah Tam
+
224698
Fri, 12 May 06 12:07 AM
Hello Colombo,
It is such a long time since anyone addressed me in this forum, I was quite taken aback. ![Surprise [:O]](/emoticons/emotion-3.gif)
I don't know whether Henry's speech was written by George Bernard Shaw in Pygmalion, or whether it was especially written by another author for My Fair Lady, (perhaps Mr Pedantic could help out here) but the cantabile rhythm of the sentence you quoted "I'd be equally as willing for a dentist to be drilling than to ever let a woman in my life." suggests that it was written to be sung. (or spoken by Rex Harrison)
I'd be equally WILLING For a dentist to be DRILLING Than to ever let a woman in my life. Boom boom
It does make sense, you know what he means, but obviously it is not normal speech.
P.S. The word hung (for those of you who do not know) is used for articles; pictures, coats, etc. The correct term for an execution by the rope is "hanged". He (or she) deserves to be hanged.
Nice to meet you Colombo ![Smile [:)]](/emoticons/emotion-1.gif)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Colombo
+
224810
Fri, 12 May 06 09:05 AM
Hi Tallulah Tam,
Yes, as you suspected, the line I copied belongs to a song (I won't go so far as to say it's "sung" by Rex Harrison), as in the case of the hung sentence, and I think both of them were written by Alan Jay Lerner for his and Loewe's "Pygmalion" (I don't remember seeing these song lines in Shaw's text). I suppose that it could be called poetic licence, but it sounded kind of ungrammatical to me. Equally as is reiterative, isn't it? But also, I cannot see any point in the word than, considering that as should take as, shouldn't it? (To add just one more thing, I had never seen willing for before, although that doesn't mean anything, it may be correct even though I don't know it )
Going back to the matter of Higgins' beloved Received Pronunciation, I've always wondered whether what we see in "Pygmalion" and "My Fair Lady" is really possible. I'm not thinking of Britons trying to disguise their natural accents, but of foreigners learning their RP so well as to pass for natives. I feel tempted to try to find my own 'Enry 'Iggins as the only solution for my @·&%$# English accent (no particular word intended, just the idea).
By the way, if I'm not wrong, Rex Harrison is as Scouse as the other Harrison I mentioned above. The only film in which I've heard his real voice is precisely "My Fair Lady", and obviously he needs Received Pronunciation for it. But how did he normally speak? I suppose that part of an actor's job involves using different accents for different characters, but I wonder whether Rex Harrison spoke scouse in normal life. It could be a bit shocking!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
julielai
+
224862
Fri, 12 May 06 02:35 PM
Tallulah Tam wrote: | |
I don't know whether Henry's speech was written by George Bernard Shaw in Pygmalion, or whether it was especially written by another author for My Fair Lady, (perhaps Mr Pedantic could help out here) but the cantabile rhythm of the sentence you quoted "I'd be equally as willing for a dentist to be drilling than to ever let a woman in my life." suggests that it was written to be sung. (or spoken by Rex Harrison) |
|
I don't think Pygmalion is meant to be sung, Tallulah. I'm nearly certain that is not written by Shaw, though I read the play quite a while back and my memory is slipping....
Joined on
Sun, Oct 24 2004
Senior Member
3,827
Just another blogger (http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/julie-lai)
|
|
|
|
|
|