Received Pronunciation & Mid Atlantic English

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Bluealbatross  #186883  Sat, 21 Jan 06 08:05 PM

Could someone give me some info about Received Pronunciation, please!

What does it mean? It is a term used only for people who speak a native language?

What is Mid-Atlantic English? Is a kind of refined american accent? like the accent from PhD's in Harvard? I'm confused! Can you give me an example of someone who speak this accent? Thank ever so much!!!

 

 

  
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LanguageLover  #187049  Sun, 22 Jan 06 06:19 AM

Welcome to the Forums, Bluealbatros,

Received Pronunciation (RP) is a form of pronunciation of the English language, sometimes defined as the "educated spoken English of southeastern England". According to the Fowler's Modern English Usage (1965), the term is "the Received Pronunciation".
If you want a more in-dept information about it, visit the Wikipedia website: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Received_Pronunciation

Mid-Atlantic English describes a version of the English language which is neither predominantly American or British in usage. It is also used to describe various forms of North American speech that have assimilated some British pronunciations. These pronunciations once had some currency in theatre and film, and were also found among members of the upper classes of society.

Again, visit wikipedia for more information: [link] According to Wiki, Humphrey Bogart, Henry Fonda, and John Wayne spoke with that accent.

  
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Anonymous  #187496  Mon, 23 Jan 06 12:20 PM
Could You use a little smaller font in your text, please?
  
LeicesterLad  #189240  Fri, 27 Jan 06 04:24 AM

Hmm, LanguageLover, I think the Wiki article suggests that the actors you listed actually promoted American dialect rather than speaking mid-Atlantic English - to a Brit like me they all sound especially American!  I agree with the article that Christopher Plummer has a mid-Atlantic accent.  As a native Brit, its quite hard for me to tell which side of the Atlantic he comes from!  

A more recent actor I'd include in this category is Sam Neill.  He was born in Northern Ireland, but brought up in New Zealand and has homes in the US, Australia and NZ.  He has played New Zealanders, Australians, Brits, Americans - in fact characters from most of the English speaking world!  His accent is intriguingly hard to place.  Listen to him in a film like "Dead Calm", and see if you can work out his roots!

  
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LanguageLover  #189513  Fri, 27 Jan 06 04:47 PM

Sorry LeicesterLad, I hadn't go through the whole article myself! Just the names had caught my eyes. Sam Neill, I would pay more attention to his accent next time I see him in a movie.

What do you think about American actors putting on British accent in their movie? Like Gwyneth Paltrow in Emma, Great Expectations, ..., or Mel Gibson in The Bounty, or others? How British they sound to you? I mean how successful they are in their attempt of speaking with a British accent?

  
LeicesterLad  #189600  Fri, 27 Jan 06 06:48 PM

This is an interesting one LanguageLover.  The success of American actors trying a British accent ranges from the impressive to the truly awful!  I could name several in the latter category - Including Dick Van ***'s legendary attempt at Cockney in "Meery Porpins" (Mary Poppins) and Mel Gibson was a bit dodgy with his Scottish accent in Braveheart.  When Mel does an English accent he is more succesful - I think this is partly because of his Australian upbrining (Mel is pretty much "bilingual" in US/Australian English), and Australians seem to find an English accent easier to master because its not so different from their own.  The worst "Americans doing British" usually appear in American sitcoms, where a US actor is used to play a Brit.  Because they're often "one episode" characters, it seems they don't bother with accent coaches!  So often, the actors attempt some kind of upper class, or "royal" accent (that less than 0.01% of Brits actually use), and yet miss the most obvious differences! (eg. the pronunciation of the "r" in words like "motor").

In the more succesful category, I would include Gwyneth Paltrow, as you suggest, in "Emma", "Shakespeare in Love", but especially "Sliding Doors", where she played a modern London girl.  She sounded very natural to my ears.  Another success was Renee Zellweger in the Bridget Jones movies - a bit of a departure from her Texan drawl!  But even these are "safe" accents from the south-east/London area of the UK.  What I would LOVE to hear, is a US/Canadian actor do a more extreme regional British accent, like Scouse (Liverpool) or Geordie (Newcastle upon Tyne), now that would be interesing!  Does any one know any examples of N Am actors attempting these accents? 

  
LeicesterLad  #189603  Fri, 27 Jan 06 06:54 PM
Interesting - the auto editor has blanked out Dick's surname, but not his first name!
  
Sam C  #189636  Fri, 27 Jan 06 07:38 PM
 LeicesterLad wrote:
Interesting - the auto editor has blanked out Dick's surname, but not his first name!
so we - on a language discussion board, no less - can discuss penises and arseholes (metaphorically, as in 'he's a dick!'), but not ditches or stone walls?  or is it the juxtaposition it takes exception to?

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Bluealbatross  #190441  Sun, 29 Jan 06 06:44 PM

Hi hello!!!

I guess you are a British native speaker!! I'm from Mexico and I'm delighted with British English mainly the southeast England accent...but wait a couple of days ago I watched the film Millions by Danny Boyle and I had a crush on this accent! It's supposed to be Newcastle accent but the way they pronounce "poor" (pooe) or Obviously (ovvieously) caught my attention!! They donot pronouce ending "R's" so soft middle "R's". and remark vowels in a clearway. They pronounced in a kind of poshly way and the intonation is sophisticated in comparison to the Billy Elliot characters film!!

Tell me what do you think about the newcastle accent!!! it is worth to try to practice it? How is this accent regarded in the island!

Thank you ever so much in advance!!!!!!!!!

  
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