khoff  +  81291 Tue, 15 Mar 05 03:33 AM Would anyone like to suggest a name for the phenomenon of repeating part of the acronym as an extraneous word, and can anyone add to this list? ATM machine (Automatic Teller Machine machine) SAT test (Scholastic Aptitude Test test) AIDS syndrome (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome syndrome) PIN number (Personal Identification Number number) khoff Joined on Sun, Mar 6 2005 Senior Member 3,277 Native speaker of American English (but not a grammar expert)

	khoff  +  94381 Fri, 29 Apr 05 12:50 AM I guess you're right, Anonymous Guest, they aren't acronyms. But do you have any more to add to the list? khoff

	Riglos  +  173051 Thu, 22 Dec 05 12:35 AM Acronym pleonasm? I've also heard "redundonym". That one sounds nice, doesn't it? Here's another one: RAM memory. BTW, some of these ARE indeed acronyms, for they're pronounced as one word, e.g. "PIN", "AIDS", "SAT". The only "initialism" (that's the word for it) I can see here is "ATM", because each of the letters this word has must be pronounced individually. Regards, Mara. Just one more thing: "In 1997 the College Board, the company that administers the exam, announced that "SAT is not an initialism.[. . .] The SAT has become the trademark; it doesn't stand for anything." Interesting, uh? Riglos Joined on Thu, Sep 15 2005 Full Member 169 Regards

	YoHf  +  175690 Wed, 28 Dec 05 07:36 PM  Guest wrote: These aren't acronyms - they're just three letter abbreviations. The letters in acronyms should form a word. Of course they aren't... YoHf Joined on Wed, Oct 26 2005 Senior Member 3,347 Shinichi Okazaki. Abbreviations

	khoff  +  175744 Wed, 28 Dec 05 09:11 PM Okay, okay, they're not acronyms!  Sorry! khoff