Regularising the irregular

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Anonymous  #500972  Tue, 15 Apr 08 10:05 AM

To me, it seems sensible, a logical step, to regularise all English irregular verbs. This has already/is already being done by many English dialect speakers. I support such moves. Do you?

  
Mister Micawber  #501035  Tue, 15 Apr 08 02:00 PM
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Language is not logical and you cannot legislate it.  And I like the irregular verbs-- they have wonderful sounds.
  
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Yoong Liat  #501036  Tue, 15 Apr 08 02:01 PM

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To me, it seems sensible, a logical step, to regularise all English irregular verbs. This has already/is already being done by many English dialect speakers. I support such moves. Do you?

To me, knowing the past tenses and past participles of irregular verbs is a challenge and makes English more interesting.
  
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Cool Breeze  #501069  Tue, 15 Apr 08 04:04 PM
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To me, it seems sensible, a logical step, to regularise all English irregular verbs.

 

How are you going to accomplish it?

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Tanit  #501162  Tue, 15 Apr 08 10:52 PM
Now, this is a coincidence! Smile
This morning I was listening to an mp3 from BBClearningenglish and here's what the speaker (teacher?) said:


I just want to finish by mentioning that there are some regional variations in non-standard grammar. I thought I’d tell you about some features of non-standard grammar from the regional accent, Geordie, where I live …
The first example I’m going to tell you about is I’ve went or She’s went or He’s went home, which is used instead of gone.
Another example is the use of the simple present instead of the simple past - I says to my husband - which uses the third person singular form of the verb. There’s also a non-standard conditional form used: If I had’ve went meaning ‘If I had gone’ to express an unfulfilled condition.
Another example is that the past tense of irregular verbs becomes inflected: I catched it; I telled him.
And finally, double negatives are common: You didn’t want it, didn’t you not?

If this dialect were more widely spoken, we'd have to re-write our grammar books ... meanwhile, let's stick with caught and told. Wink
  
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MrPedantic  #501170  Tue, 15 Apr 08 11:26 PM
In fact, not all movement is towards the regularisation of irregular verbs.

Thus "brung" and "thunk" have re-irregularised "brought" and "thought", for some non-standard speakers; and the past tense "text" (for "texted") has become quite common.

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Anonymous  #501298  Wed, 16 Apr 08 07:11 AM

<Language is not logical and you cannot legislate it.  And I like the irregular verbs-- they have wonderful sounds.>

But they cause endless problems for many learners. Are there no parts of langauge which are logical? How about the change from British spelling to American spelling of certain words? That seemed a logical/sensible move.

  
Anonymous  #501300  Wed, 16 Apr 08 07:12 AM

With your help? Big Smile

  
Anonymous  #501302  Wed, 16 Apr 08 07:16 AM

If this dialect were more widely spoken, we'd have to re-write our grammar books ...

 Many grammar books have been re-written. We discover new things, we review our view upon language use, etc.

  
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