I remember to have seen him before

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Feathers  #264827  Sun, 10 Sep 06 05:31 AM
#1.  I remember seeing him before.

#2.  I remember to have seen him before.

#3.  I remember having seen him before.

Do they mean the same thing?

(Thank you for your help, in advance.)
  
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Welkins2139  #264829  Sun, 10 Sep 06 05:45 AM
I remeber that I saw him before.
  
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Feathers  #264832  Sun, 10 Sep 06 05:51 AM
Thank you Welkins.   So they all mean the same, huh...   I didn't know that. 


  
Clive  #264835  Sun, 10 Sep 06 05:59 AM

Hi,

#1.  I remember seeing him before. OK. I remember the act of seeing him before.

#2.  I remember to have seen him before. This is not grammatically correct.

#3.  I remember having seen him before. OK. 'I have seen him' means "I have the result of seeing him". So, your sentence means 'I remember having the result of seeing him before".

Best wishes, Clive

  
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Welkins2139  #264836  Sun, 10 Sep 06 06:08 AM

 Feathers wrote:
#1.  I remember seeing him before.   This refers to the past that you did.

#2.  I remember to have seen him before. ( I do not think this is correct)

#3.  I remember having seen him before.  ( I don't think this is correct.)

If you want 'remeber plus infintive'. I think you can say:

I must remeber to see him tomorrow because I need his help.


Do they mean the same thing?

(Thank you for your help, in advance.)

  
Feathers  #264840  Sun, 10 Sep 06 06:22 AM
Thank you again Welkins, and thank you as always, Clive.

I see...  I'd better not to use the sentence #2 in any case.  And I'd need some special context to use the sentence #3.  The problem is, I've read the following sentence in Three men in a boat (by J.K. Jerome):

I don't think I ever remember to have seen Moulsey lock, before, with only one boat in it. (in the first paragraph of Ch.7)


That's why I asked this question. 
  
Clive  #264983  Sun, 10 Sep 06 03:32 PM

Hi,

Yes, but as you probably know, this book was originally published in 1889. Today such a structure seems very old-fashioned, even archaic. #3 would be the norm.

Best wishes, Clive

  
Inchoateknowledge  #264989  Sun, 10 Sep 06 03:44 PM

Hi Feathers,

How are you?

#1 and  #3 mean the same.

#2 is wrong under all circuimstances.

It would be correct to say:

 I remember/ed to see him, which means I will/did not forget to go to his place.

I had remembered to have seen here before I moved houses.No.

I had remembered to see here before I moved houses. Yes.

I had remembered to have it seen to. Yes.

  
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Marius Hancu  #264991  Sun, 10 Sep 06 03:47 PM
 Welkins2139 wrote:


#3.  I remember having seen him before.  ( I don't think this is correct.)

It is correct. I strongly suggest doing some research before posting. We should try not to confuse others, but verify the facts first.

You could search at Google with:
"remember having seen * before"
(quotation marks are important)

Bloody Sunday Inquiry Transcript – Day 142 – Monday, 17 September 2001
I remember having seen him before
and he always used to wear an open white-necked shirt." .

The Friendly Road;New Adventures in Contentment - Chapter XI.
I could not remember having seen her before.

Bill Hicks : Slight Return / Peter Brown Theatre Reviewer / London
I couldn't remember having seen Hicks before, so when I returned from the theatre I did a little digging around on the internet and found some video clips ...
  
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