some rule about using articles

   Share on Facebook  
Anonymous  #407235  Tue, 21 Aug 07 11:35 AM
Hi,

There is an entry in the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary about usage of indefinite article:

used before uncountable nouns when these have an adjective in front of them, or phrase following them:
a good knowledge of French
a sadness that won’t go away

However, just came across this example:
It takes true grit (U) to stand up to a bully.

So, I guess, the rule above is more of a guideline than a rule?


  
Kooyeen  #407374  Tue, 21 Aug 07 05:21 PM
Hi,
very interesting... I wouldn't say you always have to add the article. But I'm not sure, so it would be interesting to know if in a sentence like...
Candidates must have (a) good knowledge of Physics
the article can be left out. If so, then you can say that the article can be added when uncountable nouns are used together with adjectives or other information, but it is not necessary.
Smile [:)]

  
Top 25 Contributor
Joined on Thu, Dec 22 2005
Italy
Pre Guru (3,648)
Moderator
*Parental Advisory* Explicit Posts
CalifJim  #407443  Tue, 21 Aug 07 07:11 PM
"more of a guideline" - yes and no.
It seems to me that certain uncountables lend themselves to use with the indefinite article than others.  The ones that do almost invariably take the indefinite article when the appropriate conditions apply.

So knowledge and sadness go in the one group and grit goes in the other group.

At least that's one theory.  Another possibility goes as follows:

The use of a/an can be paraphrased as a kind ofa good knowledge of is then a good (thorough) kind of knowledge ofa kind of doesn't make as much sense with the adjective truea true kind of grit?  as opposed to a false kind of grit?  Perhaps the only kind of grit is true grit, so the use of a doesn't make sense.

CJ



  
Top 10 Contributor
Joined on Mon, Aug 2 2004
California
Forum Guru (15,629)
ModeratorProficient Speaker
"There are no facts, only interpretations" - Nietzsche
Kooyeen  #407452  Tue, 21 Aug 07 07:36 PM
Hi Jim,
but is it possible to leave out the article in the cases where you can include it?
Ex:
Candidates must have (a) good knowledge of Physics

Thanks Smile [:)]
  
CalifJim  #407455  Tue, 21 Aug 07 07:41 PM
... have good knowledge of ...

Hmm.  That sounds wrong to me.  I would say it's required here, but I don't think I've ever heard it discussed as a "rule".  These are more a matter of usage and style than of grammar, I'd say.

CJ

  
Kooyeen  #407458  Tue, 21 Aug 07 07:49 PM
 CalifJim wrote:

These are more a matter of usage and style than of grammar, I'd say.

Heh, again. Yes, it's probably one of those things that is good just because it sounds good and it's the way most people say it. So, listen/read ---> use ---> memorize usage. It takes time... Sad [:(]

Anyway I see, thanks Smile [:)]

  
CalifJim  #407461  Tue, 21 Aug 07 08:00 PM
<<It takes time...>>

Yep!  There's no end to the treats!

CJ
  
Vanyatka  #407592  Wed, 22 Aug 07 04:10 AM
 Kooyeen wrote:
Hi Jim,
but is it possible to leave out the article in the cases where you can include it?
Ex:
Candidates must have (a) good knowledge of Physics
Thanks Smile [:)]


You need the article here partly because it is specified what kind of knowledge is needed.
You (probably) may say "All candidates demostrated good knowledge".
  
Not Ranked
Joined on Tue, Aug 8 2006
Junior Member (43)
AddThis Feed Button RSS Feed: ESL General English Grammar Questions
© 2008 MediaCET Ltd.
Terms and Conditions