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Golden
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Thu, 04 May 06 09:38 AM
It itsn't my duty or your duty or anyones duty to protect other people in this world. y r ur views so different on this topic nona. ur views didn't seem this harsh on unwated pregnancies(abortion: do we have a right). i don't remember the thread name properly. In that thread it was about life. In this thread it is about life too. protecting other people, protecting other people.(are you mad)(BEHOLD THE NEXT MOTHER THERESA) rishonly post your views about suicide in this thread http://www.englishforums.com/English/SocietyCommitSuicide/clvdk/Post.htm
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For those who accept their fate find happiness, those who defy it, glory. - Princess Tutu
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nona the brit
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Thu, 04 May 06 12:41 PM
Well Golden, I don't think I'm mad to believe that vulnerable people deserve the protection of their society. I didn't mean I rush around trying to 'save' people all day.
And I don't see any conflict between my views on suicide and abortion. To me, a fetus is not a living human being, so I have no objections to abortions. A living human being, that is so unhappy or disturbed that he or she will attempt to take their own life, deserves help. I don't disagree with voluntary euthenasia in the cases where a terminally ill (who is going to die anyway) is suffering terribly or faces an awful death. I'd like to be able to choose the manner of my death in those situations. But to turn our backs on someone who, with help, could go on to live a normal and happy life, is another thing.
Perhaps you have not known anyone who was suicidal. I have. I had a friend who suffered from regular bouts of clinical depression and at his lowest phase he was suicidal. Then he would be treated and get back into a more normal mental health situation and was always so relieved that he was still in the world! 95% of his life was spent with the same desire for life as the rest of us. We can't abandon him to suffer the consequences of the 5% of his life when he was seriously mentally ill.
Surely having a compassionate and cooperative attitude towards others in our society is one of the important things that separate us from mere animals. Do you not believe that any vulnerable people deserve the assistance of their society? Do you believe that orphans should be abandoned to starve? Do you believe that the elderly people should be left to die if they become unable to care for themselves? Why do you believe mentally ill people should die because of their condition?
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Golden
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Thu, 04 May 06 02:02 PM
I don't believe anyone should die for anything. I said if someone wants to die let them die why should we care about it. What right do you or I have to force them to live. They just want to get away from their problem by doing themselves off.(fine with me) Okay. Some people could be treated. Does it mean all of the people could treated. Hell or Heaven knows why some choose those things. I don't think you know many other things in life nona. Trust em sometimes death can be a hell lot better than living. I'm just saying if someone wants to get away from the miseries this life offers by killing themselves, let them.Um... You don't get my point, do you? And what about people who want to do it just for the heck of it.
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nona the brit
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Thu, 04 May 06 02:28 PM
Who has ever wanted to kill themselves just for the heck of it? There is always a reason of some sort.
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Fri, 05 May 06 06:25 AM
In India Sati(a woman who is devoted to her husband) daha (burning) was in vouge in the early Vedic age(3000-2500B.C).It was not done by force ,only if the wife wished to die with his husband due to her love towards the husband .But later on spacially after Muslim invation, the position of women in the society became worst and the purdah system started ,Women lost their right to get their fathers' property and going outside the house alone became restricted and lost their right of education. Some people taking the advantage of this system forced those poor women to die after their husbands death to deprive of them from their husbands property .In the year 1829 by the interferenece of Raja Rammohan Roy(who was a reformist)the contemporary Governor General of East -India Company (Brithsh)Lord William Bentinck passed a law against Satidaha system and it was totally banned. Now a days after along time one or two solitary cases happened for which the government and many social organisations have taken proper steps and investigations also went on whether they were murdered or they did this on their own will This is not my personal opinion I have only informed you about the facts.
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Salman`
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Fri, 05 May 06 10:34 AM
Jhumjhum, If you look back in history, in fact, it was in ur culture, do not give father's property to women, for the reason that, women were given dahej at the time of marriage. It is Islam who showed you the right way of living. I've read all how the bad way you guys were living before the arrival of Islam in india subcontinent. By the way, why you depict the very wrong picture of muslim women, here are lot of educated women wear hijab. I could never imagine you have deep seated hater agaisnt Islam.
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Jhumjhum
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Fri, 05 May 06 07:04 PM
Salman I do not want to debate with you .I am not a hater of any religion or nation. Then I have to hate British also because most of the Invadors who came in India settled here but the British has just took away all properties, as much as they could ,to their homeland and divided our country, encouraging people like you to querrel with us life long. This is what history says ,but my small heart can't bear so much hatred so I don't hate any one. What I wrote that is what only history says.Not my original story .As I was a student of Islamic history, in which I got a master degree , so I had to read a lot about your religion, languages etc.I am not a biased person .Gulam Ali and Mehedi Hasan(Pakistani singers)are my favourite singers.Mirza Galib is my favourite poet .I like the musical band Strings. I appreciate every talented person of any country /religion.I don't want to confind myself in a small religion or nation and will try to learn as long as my health and mind will permit me. In this occation I want to correct a fact about what I wrote .Muslim invation started on 712 A.D.but offically they started rulling India 1206(Qutb'Ud din Aibaq) which ended on 1757 after the battle of Plassy in which British won.
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nona the brit
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Fri, 05 May 06 07:21 PM
Salman, behave yourself. Nothing in Jhumjhum's post suggested anything of hatred of Islam.
We have been tolerating your at times rather extreme and sometimes personally insulting opinions; you need to learn to tolerate others' opinions when they differ from yours. Very few issues, if any at all, have a '100% right' or a '100% wrong' position. In any case, he was merely talking about history. Not making any comment or opinion about any religion.
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Salman`
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Fri, 05 May 06 07:57 PM
Nona, I didn't mean that, what I mean is, there is no such thing in our religion that women do not inherit property from their father. I'm Muslim, I've read and understand the whole Qur'an. Our religion do not teach such things. Furthermore, why I said she has hater LOOK WHAT SHE WROTE: "But later on spacially after Muslim invation, the position of women in
the society became worst and the purdah system started ,Women lost
their right to get their fathers' property and going outside the house
alone became restricted and lost their right of education."
In pakistan, Educated women wear hijab, they like to wear and very strict to do so.. they have rights in the society, they inherit property from their father so how can position of women become worst.
Nona, ypu are very nice, I'm sure you would judge properly. IF you still think that it is said right, I request you to find out in the Qur'an. if you find tell me the chapter No. But please without knowin don't support such kind of description.
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