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Nano  #289094  Sat, 04 Nov 06 01:25 AM

Is this sentence is right

I lost my air ticket. so please do the needful.

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Mister Micawber  #289096  Sat, 04 Nov 06 01:35 AM

It needs to be one sentence:

I lost my air ticket, so please do the needful.

It should be noted that 'do the needful' is standard Indian English, but appears quaint or slightly impolite in AmE and BrE.

  
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Yoong Liat  #289163  Sat, 04 Nov 06 09:18 AM

 Mister Micawber wrote:

It needs to be one sentence:

I lost my air ticket, so please do the needful.

It should be noted that 'do the needful' is standard Indian English, but appears quaint or slightly impolite in AmE and BrE.

Results of your search (BNC)

Your query was

do the needful

Only 1 solution found for this query

CLD 831 The one who was born Greek and fluent, had lost his baggage, presumably in transit in London, and wanted action, and seemed to think that young Erlich would do the needful.

  
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Yankee  #289166  Sat, 04 Nov 06 09:24 AM
The phrase "do the needful" is mentioned here:
Indian English

  
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Yoong Liat  #289174  Sat, 04 Nov 06 09:57 AM

 Yankee wrote:
The phrase "do the needful" is mentioned here:
Indian English

The New Oxford Dictionary of English defines 'needful' as follows:

noun (the needful) what is necessary: I call upon the authorities to do the needful.

It doesn't state that it is Indian English.

  
Yankee  #289180  Sat, 04 Nov 06 10:21 AM
Hi Yoong Liat

That's not the point.  I gave the link as a confirmation of MM's comment.   I can confirm that this phrase is definitely not a phrase that would be usual in American English.  I think your BNC search confirms that it would also be highly unusual in BE.  The point is that "do the needful" is apparently used in Indian English.   Maybe Oxford should provide better usage information.

  
nona the brit  #289181  Sat, 04 Nov 06 10:22 AM

True. But then lots of words have lots of definitions that pretty much no-one ever uses.

In reality it is mainly (I hesitate to say only, as it is possibly used in other versions, but I haven't heard it used elsewhere myself) Indian English that uses it in that way. It is certainly not used in that way in British or American English. No-one ever says 'kindly do the needful' in those versions of English.

So if you are using Indian English then go ahead and use it but if not, avoid it.  MM's comment was just a warning that other people may not see it in quite the same way as the Indian writer does, so if you are writing to a company elsewhere in the world you may want to take that into consideration.

  
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Yoong Liat  #289192  Sat, 04 Nov 06 10:52 AM

The New Oxford Dictionary of English defines 'needful' as follows:

noun (the needful) what is necessary: I call upon the authorities to do the needful.

It doesn't state that it is Indian English, and I see no reason why I should challenge the authority of the lexicographers.

It is stated on the cover of The New Oxford Dictionary of English that it is the foremost authority of current English. It has 4 million words of text - the biggest single-volume dictionary. It further states that it focuses on English as it is really used in the late twentieth century, informed by currently available evidence and the latest research.

Compact Oxford English Dictionary defines 'needful' as follows:

noun (the needful) informal what is necessary  (It doesn't state that it is Indian English)

BNC also accepts 'needful' as a noun and provides an illustrative sentence.

Results of your search (BNC)

do the needful

Only 1 solution found for this query

CLD 831 The one who was born Greek and fluent, had lost his baggage, presumably in transit in London, and wanted action, and seemed to think that young Erlich would do the needful.

If 'needful' is Indian English, the Oxford dictionaries would have stated so. Also BNC will not have included 'needful' in its vocabulary and I would not have been able to find any result from my search under this word.

 

 

  
nona the brit  #289225  Sat, 04 Nov 06 12:51 PM

No-one is saying 'needful' as an individual word is only used in Indian English.

What we are saying that the idiomatic phrase 'do the needful' (the pretty-much standard phrase in Indian English meaning 'please do what is necesssary') is a feature of Indian English and is not used in other versions of English. Indian letters often seem to end 'Kindly do the needful'. That's fine but it is not a phrase used elsewhere in the world as a way of requesting action in letters or emails.

And there is no need to shout.

Believe whatever you want to believe. Use whatever words you want to use. Just be aware that if you put 'kindly do the needful' in a letter to someone using American or British English they will not see it as a standard phrase.

According to Wiki: 'do the needful' it is commonly used in India and widely attributed as an Indianism, but the phrase may have its origins in British English instead, according to the Universal Dictionary of the English Language of 1932. Wiki also links to an American useage in 1949. I can find some modern uses of it on UK sites that are run by Indians and it also throws up a few uses in Scotland, so it may be clinging on there.

So, it may well have origins in British English. But I can assure you that it is no longer used in modern British English business letters to replicate the meaning of the Indian 'do the needful'.

  
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