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techwriter  #2778  Tue, 29 Jul 03 02:14 AM
The sentence below was printed in a textbook. While it is agreed that it sounds awkward and other phrases would be better choices, the teacher of the class wants to know if it is grammatically correct:

She carries the purse with herself.

All agree that "She carries the purse herself" and "She carries the purse with her" are better, depending on the meaning needed, but just need to know if the above is within the rules of grammar. Thanks!Smile [:)]

  
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Jacko  #2779  Tue, 29 Jul 03 07:22 AM
I agree that the two sentences you presented sound better. However, gramatically, I think that She carries the purse with herself is correct because the word herself is used for emphasis and clarification. On the other hand, her is also correct because it is not used reflexively, meaning that it is not both the subject and the direct object. The direct object here is purse (which is known by asking the question, "She carries what?").

That was just what I think.
  
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maj  #2784  Tue, 29 Jul 03 09:36 AM

Yes, different meanings.

-She carries the purse herself means nobody is helping her to carry it.
-She carries the purse with her means she has it with her.
  
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techwriter  #2817  Tue, 29 Jul 03 05:12 PM
Thanks everyone for the help!Smile [:)]
  
Guest  #23088  Sun, 22 Feb 04 06:12 AM
Please show me what is wrong with this sentence?
Who is the package from?
Thank you!
Sincerely yours,
Emily
  
rommie  #23094  Sun, 22 Feb 04 09:09 AM
Back to techwriter's query...

I don't know. Although I can't find fault with any of the above reasoning, I still can't believe in the conclusion. If we agree that this logic is correct, then other sentences will succumb to a similar fate. These can't all be wrong:

I brought it with me.
I took it home with me.

I don't accept that "me" is wrong in any of these sentences, or in the original example. But I can't prove WHY.

I think there must be another rule of grammar that we're not seeing. It's like we're playing chess and we've all forgotten the en passant rule, and we're trying to figure out how the pieces could have ended up that way without that rule. I'm sure we're missing something here. I wish I knew what it was.

But on this one, I trust my gut feeling more than I trust the conclusion we get from the rules we've considered.

Rommie
  
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rommie  #23095  Sun, 22 Feb 04 09:16 AM
Emily,

"Who is the package from?" - "Who" should be "Whom".

And if you're being REALLY formal, you shouldn't end a sentence with "with" either - so the most formal answer would be "From whom is this package?"

Rommie
  
mask  #23105  Sun, 22 Feb 04 11:35 AM
Prepositions that signify position in space block the use of reflexive pronouns. Therefore, it is correct to say "She pushed the cart in front of her" and not "She pushed the cart in front of herself."
  
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rommie  #23113  Sun, 22 Feb 04 12:05 PM
Aha! So my gut feeling was correct. That makes me happy. Thanks for the rule, mask.

Rommie
  
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