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anon1  #46641  Wed, 22 Sep 04 01:23 AM
Mister Micawber,

Very formally, you would replace 'me' with 'I'.


I agree completely.

In a way, I can wrap my head around this.

1) I would wash my car.

2) If you were I, you would wash my car.

So I can see I=I, if you will.

By logical extension, is it, "If you were she, ...."

3) She should buy that house.

4) If you were she, you should buy that house? She/Her?

Am I correct?


My guess is that most people would trip on our sentences. They'd want to use the subjective case.

I am confident you are correct Mister Micawber; it is just not the way I would instinctively write or say it.

Again, interesting example. I am curious what others will have to say.

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Guest  #46664  Wed, 22 Sep 04 05:09 AM
1. what must a family do to adopt a child

2. read this book about adoption

3. what a huge number of laws there are

4. approval for adoption may take a year or more
  
CalifJim  #46693  Wed, 22 Sep 04 08:16 AM
S S Sridhar,

In the future tense only? In that case, a better way to say it would be:

If you are ever in my place, you'll do the same.

You can avoid all the controversy surrounding the correct usage after the words "If you are/were ???" by using the wording "In my place, you ...", "In your place, I ...", In our place, they ...", and so on.

Smile [:)]

Jim

Guys, I'm not going to get dragged into analyzing structures like "Were she he, she would ..." and "Had they been we, it would be a different story" and "Who's the president of this organization?" -- "I used to be he; now she is she"!!!

Just haven't got the stamina tonight! Take care, all!
  
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Mister Micawber  #46718  Wed, 22 Sep 04 10:50 AM

Hi Guest! Corrected versions:

1. What must a family do to adopt a child?

2. Read this book about adoption.

3. What a huge number of laws there are!

4. Approval for adoption may take a year or more.

Seems like your only problem is capitalization and punctuation-- or were you just not careful typing these questions?



(Me neither, Jim. I'm happy to let this one die a natural death. MH got me pretty good I think.)
  
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anon1  #46767  Wed, 22 Sep 04 04:26 PM
Mister Micawber,

MH got me pretty good I think.


Nope. I didn't get you good. That would imply that I deliberate set you up.

I am/was trying to understand for my own edification.

I am confident that you are correct.

What I am trying to reconcile is this:

She is taller than me/I? We know that it is "I". If asked by someone else to explain why it is "I" and not "me", we simply reply that the following makes sense:

She is taller than I am. NOT: She is taller than me is.

Everyone understands and everyone is happy.

But the "If you were me/I..." construct is harder to explain.

If you use the correct way and someone else challenges you on it, how do you respond? If you say that construct is correct according to a few grammar books, everyone thinks your an egghead, because most people are familiar with the "me" as the correct answer.

So I was just trying to wrap my ears around the logic. I don't doubt Mister Micawber is correct. I am just trying to understand it better so that I can explain it to someone else later.

Hope that helps and clarifies.

MountainHiker

  
Mister Micawber  #46858  Thu, 23 Sep 04 02:11 AM

'MH got me pretty good I think'-- no, I just mean you have caused me to change my position, MountainHiker.

You wrote 'but the "If you were me/I..." construct is harder to explain,' and I agree. All I can think to do is set up a few sentences for comparison:

Who is he?
He is Jim.
Jim is he who wrote the book.
Jim isn't MH.
If Jim were MH, he'd write another.
If Jim were he, he'd write another.

Who am I?
I am MM.
MM am I, who wrote the book (don't know why I need the comma here, but I seem to)
If Jim were MM, he'd write another.
If Jim were I, he'd write another.

And I have come to agree with you that, if it is legitimate, it is no longer really used-- to the extent that it sounds awkward-- and should be abandoned by us forward-thinking liberal descriptive grammarians. However, that leaves me with the original sentence, 'If you were me, you would also do the same,' still sounding informal to me, for an e.g. business letter. Perhaps it needs to be recast instead:

'In my position, you would do the same.'-- How about this one, Mr. Sridhar?

  
Guest  #48748  Sun, 03 Oct 04 10:46 AM
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