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Goodman  #510486  Tue, 06 May 08 05:46 PM

This question hit me  just now!

Is “are” the correct verb ?  To me “5%” is used as a collective noun which is treated

as a singular subject. It should have a singular verb agreement, shouldn’t it?

 

Only 5% of our students are placed after completion of their training!

Compare: A 10% service fee is added to the room charge

  
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Jackson6612  #510501  Tue, 06 May 08 06:35 PM

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In informal style grammatical considerations are often cast aside in all languages, and using because without a main clause is very common:

"Why didn't you call him?"

"Because I didn't know his number."

 Since and as would be just as "grammatical" as because in the above sentence but they just aren't used.



Sorry for asking you this.

What did you mean by the underlined sentence? Did you mean:
1: Since and as... in the above sentence but they cannot be used in the above sentence?
Or
2:  Since and as... in the above sentence but I just didn't use them?
  
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Yoong Liat  #510517  Tue, 06 May 08 07:38 PM

Goodman

This question hit me  just now!

Is “are” the correct verb ?  To me “5%” is used as a collective noun which is treated

as a singular subject. It should have a singular verb agreement, shouldn’t it?

 

2Only 5% of our students are placed after completion of their training! (It is correct. If a class has 40 students, then 5% of the students would be 2 students. Therefore 'are' should be used.)

Compare: A 10% service fee is added to the room charge.

  
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Goodman  #510525  Tue, 06 May 08 08:18 PM
Liat,

I don’t think the correct answer should be dependent on  the number of student based on the original question which was

only 5% of the students are placed after completion of their training. Clearly, the subject is the percentage which is “5%”, not the student; if my understanding is true.

My question was, should “is” be used instead of “are”? And I think it should.

If this statement is transformed into a question, it would be “what is the percentage of

Job placement after the students completed their training?  Not how many students are placed.

For the same reason:

A set of tires for my new car costs me $500, not “cost”.

A group of students was found lost in the forest.

Common belief is plural verb should be used in this kind of sentence construction.

We need the gurus to clear up this one….

  
New2grammar  #510527  Tue, 06 May 08 08:34 PM

This is just my humble opinion.

In the case of "X percent of S", the verb, from my observation,
always agrees with the noun S.

For some reason, percent doesn't follow the patterns set by group, set etc.

I guess it's another exception. I could be wrong.

Let's wait for the other gurus.

  
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Yoong Liat  #510528  Tue, 06 May 08 08:40 PM

Hi Goodman

A group of students was found lost in the forest. (If the students are perceived as a group, is should be used.)

A group of students were found lost in the forest. (If the students are perceived as individual students are could be used.)

Half  / 50% of the students were absent. (The pertinent word is students; student is a countable noun. If there are 100 students, then 50 of them were absent.)

I hope this gives you a clear picture why are shoud be used.

Best wishes

YL

  
Cool Breeze  #510539  Tue, 06 May 08 09:20 PM
Jackson6612

Cool Breeze

 Since and as would be just as "grammatical" as because in the above sentence but they just aren't used.



Sorry for asking you this.

What did you mean by the underlined sentence?
 

I meant exactly what I wrote.

CB 

  
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Goodman  #510570  Tue, 06 May 08 11:13 PM

Hi Liat,
I think what you said is contradicting.  You are saying both of my exmaples are grammatically acceptable only with the right perception.


 A group of students was found lost in the forest. (If the students are perceived as a group, is should be used.) 
If the rule sticks as you described about
50% of the students.. then my first example could not be accpetable because the pertinent word is "students" like you said.

A group of students were found lost in the forest. (If the students are perceived as individual students are could be used.)
I can agree with that!

<<>> Half  / 50% of the students were absent. (The pertinent word is students; student is a countable noun. If there are 100 students, then 50 of them were absent.)

The bottom line is, a learner (even for me) may have a hard time deciding if it's a singular or plural verb agreement, even though I thought I know!

  
Jackson6612  #510571  Tue, 06 May 08 11:14 PM

Cool Breeze

I meant exactly what I wrote.



That's what I asked you about that what did you exactly mean by what you wrote. Please clarify. Thanks, in advance.
  
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