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Forum_mail  #372160  Tue, 29 May 07 04:53 PM
Would you say:

1. This was not the first time that an artist had been rejected by the establishment...

or

2. This has not been not the first time that an artist was rejected by the establishment...

or

3. This has not the first time that an artist has been rejected by the establishment...

or

4. This was not the first time that an artist has been rejected by the establishment...

?

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Maple  #372195  Tue, 29 May 07 06:07 PM

1or This is not the first time that an artist has been rejected by the establishment...

not quite sure

  
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Forum_mail  #372211  Tue, 29 May 07 06:41 PM
hmm... could you explain why other options are wrong?

and what about this one: This was not the first time that an artist was rejected...
  
Maple  #372214  Tue, 29 May 07 06:53 PM

 Forum_mail wrote:
what about this one: This was not the first time that an artist was rejected...

I think it's OK.

I'm not quite sure whether the other options are wrong. I just won't say those willingly. We have to wait to see how the native speakers or grammar experts  feel about them.

  
Clive  #372394  Wed, 30 May 07 02:40 AM

Hi,

It's a little tricky to explain why these tenses don't always seem to fit together, but here are a few brief comments.

1. This was not the first time that an artist had been rejected by the establishment... To me, this seems the best of the 4.

or

2. This has not been not the first time that an artist was rejected by the establishment... The second 'not' is wrong. The present perfect does not fit well here. However, I wouldn't say it's wrong. But is sounds awkward to me.


3. This has not the first time that an artist has been rejected by the establishment... Do you mean 'this has not been the first time. .' ? The double use of the present perfect again seems very awkward and hard to understand..

or

4. This was not the first time that an artist has been rejected by the establishment...
The simple past seems to indicate we are talking about the past, so the present perfect seems out of place.

Best wishes, Clive

  
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