We have partnered with TradePub to bring you free industry magazines and resources - no coupons or credit cards required!

Visit: englishforums.tradepub.com


Share this topic:
This question is Not Answered
Latest post Fri, Oct 31 2008 7:01 AM by CalifJim. 4 replies.
Suggest an answer | | |
MaverickK  +  581646 Thu, 30 Oct 08 05:15 AM
Hi,

Since 1986 when the Department of Labor began to allow investment officers’ fees to be based on how the funds they manage perform, several corporations began paying their investment advisers a small basic fee, with a contract promising higher fees if the managers perform well.

(A) investment officers’ fees to be based on how the funds they manage perform, several corporations began

(B) investment officers’ fees to be based on the performance of the funds they manage, several corporations began

(C) that fees of investment officers be based on how the funds they manage perform, several corporations have begun

(D) fees of investment officers to be based on the performance of the funds they manage, several corporations have begun

(E) that investment officers’ fees be based on the performance of the funds they manage, several corporations began


I feel option B is correct. But in the answer key,it has been mentioned that answer D is correct.I am unable to understand this.The Department of Labour began to allow something after 1986,and if  you say that "several corporations have begun" it means that they have started doing it now.I feel it should be "several corporations began" which means they started it after 1986 itself.I do not know if there is anything wrong in the first part of the underlined stuff.Please help.

Joined on Wed, Dec 26 2007
Junior Member 61
CalifJim  +  581654 Thu, 30 Oct 08 06:30 AM
MaverickK
“if  you say that "several corporations have begun" it means that they have started doing it now.”
???

Why do you think it means that?  The present perfect is indefinite as to time.  It just means that the starting happened at some time in the past.  It doesn't say when.  But it doesn't say "now".  If I say that I have started writing a letter, it means that the starting happened at some indefinite time in the past.  It doesn't mean that I have started writing it now.

To limit how far back the indefinite time might apply, you add a since clause.

Since the beginning of last month, I have started to exercise every day.  [at some time between the beginning of last month and now]

Since 1992, the U.S. has elected only two presidents.  [between 1992 and now]

Since the twins were born, Suzy has begun to read more books on raising children. [between the birth of the twins and now]

CJ 

 

 

Joined on Mon, Aug 2 2004
California
Veteran Member 22,415
"There are no facts, only interpretations" - Nietzsche
MaverickK  +  581656 Thu, 30 Oct 08 06:35 AM
Thanks a lot Jim for your explanation. I just got confused between "began" and "have begun". But can you tell me why is "began" wrong here? And should we use "have <verb>" with similar sentences having the since clause.And what about the first part of the underlined stuff?between "investment officers' fees" and "fees of investment officers" which one is correct?
MaverickK, 1 yr 24 days ago
Still waiting for a reply.Please help.
CalifJim  +  582082 Fri, 31 Oct 08 07:01 AM
MaverickK
“But can you tell me why is "began" wrong here? And should we use "have <verb>" with similar sentences having the since clause.”
To be honest, it doesn't strike me as wrong, but I think the test-makers prefer you to use the present perfect (have begun) with a since clause as a matter of style.

The same is true of the other parts of that sentence.  They want you to decide on the basis of style, not grammar, so it's not a matter of which is correct.   The sentences are all grammatically correct.  And the test-makers have already provided their answer on which one they regard as stylistically correct.  They prefer you not to use possessives with apostrophes, it appears, and neither are they happy with the case where two verbs occur together (how the funds they manage perform)

CJ 

© MediaCet Ltd. 2009, v5.0.3615.29165. All content posted by our users is a contribution to the public domain, this does not include imported usenet posts.*
For web related enquires please contact us on webmaster@mediacet.com, status updates are available at status.mediacet.com.
*Usenet post removal: Use 'X-No-Archive'. You may not have understood that your posts would end up in the public domain. Please send proof of the poster's email, we will remove immediately.