Should Taiwan be part of China?

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generalfeldmarschall

#536381 Thu, 03 Jul 08 07:24 PM

I have read most of the posts in this thread.

In some sense, the Taiwan problem, to China, is more or less a question of national prestige and that is why China can wait, maybe for the proper time to conduct any practical actions toward the problem.

At this juncture of maturization, any Sino-American war is surely unwelcome, because, given Chinese military capacity of today, any war between the U.S. and China is most likely to be a nuclear one.

Some Taiwanese are indulged in their 'higher living standard' and 'better economic situation' and 'democratic regime'. Well, what they possess now, as they themselves confess, has much to do with the trade, and support from China, the People's Republic of. And why does China bother to do all these? Obivously, China assumes that Taiwan is its province. Imagine the best scenario should Taiwan be an independent country (though this is very unlikely to happen in real life), will it enjoy the comfort of its international identity with a super power angrily sitting around even if China does not use any military means?

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Goodman

#536396 Thu, 03 Jul 08 08:47 PM

Hello generalfeldmarschall,
You certainly have a deep interest in this topic.

The link about the Taiwan history was just a tool I chose to use to point out that the question “should Taiwan be part of China” should not even be asked. Whether or not the content is 100% accurate is debatable. Many critics and old timers still consider today’s China a “communist” country. This is not a fair assessment in my opinion. Anyone who has a chance to visit China in the past 10 years will tell you otherwise.

In recent years, China has worked very hard to reform the country from the image of a hard-core communist regime of the Meo era to something similar to an economy-driven socialist one; at least that’s what I see. There are many aspects of China many people don’t realize. China’s economic progress and prosperity are only confined to provinces close to the coasts and big cities. There are still rural regions where basic utility is not available and it will be many years before that happens. At the same time, people living in the prosperous provinces are enjoying the transformation and the improved quality of life. However prosperity attracts corruptions, no matter what country we live in. But for China, the massive scale of corruption penetrated deep into every level of the local governments. United States is supposed to be the biggest and the freest country in the world with approximately 300 million people and a matured democratic system, and we still have corruption problems of our own. We can criticize China for whatever reasons. But if we can not clean up our problems in our system with only ¼ of china’s population, with 1.3 billion people, can we expect China to transform into a completely democracy system overnight, just imagine the chaos from granting the kind of freedom we have in the U.S. to 1.3 billion people who don't know the meaning of democracy ! I don’t think it’s China’s interest to militarily overtake Taiwan but if the independence movement was pushed forward, I had no doubt some form of military conflict would take place. So Taiwan is not on top of the list as far as the Chinese government’s priority is concerned because they believe it will always be a part of China no matter what the rest of the world says. It's a matter of time, it will reunite with the motherland.

Goodman

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Goodman

#536536 Fri, 04 Jul 08 05:27 AM

Hi Zou,

By the sound of your name, I’d take a wild guess that you are a Chinese. This is not the old China where censorship was common. In America, as long as the discussion is civilized, anything can be an openly discussed topic and anyone can voice his opinions. I hope you can respect that.

Goodman

GUGGI

#539751 Fri, 11 Jul 08 08:30 AM

I'm a taiwanese.And I don't want be a chinese.
I really hope someday China people can really respect our feeling,and really try to be our friend.

Chinese always say that we are family,but from what they've done,I can't say they are even friends.

When Taiwan people say they just want to be taiwanese,Chinese people just can't respect this choice,and insult taiwanese as "Dogs of Japanese " or "Dogs of America",and the concersation alway end with violence and threaten.

GUGGI

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Osee

#539823 Fri, 11 Jul 08 01:08 PM

You were just talking about your feeling.

Most current people in Taiwan just came with the previous Chinese Jiang Jieshi Government, which fled into Taiwan 60 years ago due to the defeat by the Communist troops led by Mao Zhedong. Hundreds of years before that time, Taiwan had been the part of China.

GUGGI
I'm a taiwanese.And I don't want be a chinese.
I really hope someday China people can really respect our feeling,and really try to be our friend.

Chinese always say that we are family,but from what they've done,I can't say they are even friends.

When Taiwan people say they just want to be taiwanese,Chinese people just can't respect this choice,and insult taiwanese as "Dogs of Japanese " or "Dogs of America",and the concersation alway end with violence and threaten.

Osee

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generalfeldmarschall

#539828 Fri, 11 Jul 08 01:16 PM

I have to admit your mistake.
People fleed to Taiwan sixty years ago are not 'most people in Taiwan', not sixty years and not now.
Instead, most Taiwanese at the time were born and raised in Taiwan and many people in today's Taiwan are descendants of these Taiwanese.
Thus, your argument seems far from convincing.
Nevertheless, I agree with your point basically.

Osee
You were just talking about your feeling.
Most current people in Taiwan just came with the previous Chinese Jiang Jieshi Government, which fled into Taiwan 60 years ago due to the defeat by the Communist troops led by Mao Zhedong. Hundreds of years before that time, Taiwan had been the part of China.
GUGGI
I'm a taiwanese.And I don't want be a chinese.
I really hope someday China people can really respect our feeling,and really try to be our friend.

Chinese always say that we are family,but from what they've done,I can't say they are even friends.

When Taiwan people say they just want to be taiwanese,Chinese people just can't respect this choice,and insult taiwanese as "Dogs of Japanese " or "Dogs of America",and the concersation alway end with violence and threaten.

generalfeldmarschall

Osee

#539940 Fri, 11 Jul 08 03:48 PM

Yes. it would be better to say many or part of instead of most. But thinking people will know that is not the point.

Politically speaking, if Taiwan were a country, why there is no position for her in the United Nations?

generalfeldmarschall
I have to admit your mistake.
People fleed to Taiwan sixty years ago are not 'most people in Taiwan', not sixty years and not now.
Instead, most Taiwanese at the time were born and raised in Taiwan and many people in today's Taiwan are descendants of these Taiwanese.
Thus, your argument seems far from convincing.
Nevertheless, I agree with your point basically.
Osee

You were just talking about your feeling.

Most current people in Taiwan just came with the previous Chinese Jiang Jieshi Government, which fled into Taiwan 60 years ago due to the defeat by the Communist troops led by Mao Zhedong. Hundreds of years before that time, Taiwan had been the part of China.

GUGGI
I'm a taiwanese.And I don't want be a chinese.
I really hope someday China people can really respect our feeling,and really try to be our friend.

Chinese always say that we are family,but from what they've done,I can't say they are even friends.

When Taiwan people say they just want to be taiwanese,Chinese people just can't respect this choice,and insult taiwanese as "Dogs of Japanese " or "Dogs of America",and the concersation alway end with violence and threaten.

Osee

generalfeldmarschall

#539945 Fri, 11 Jul 08 03:59 PM

Admittedly, there is some truth in your argument.
Taiwan at this point in time is not officially recognized as an independent political body of the international community by the United Nation and other major powers, say, the U.S. and the European Union.
However, according to some putative standards that are used to determine whether a political body is a country or not, Taiwan has long been de facto a country. (see the link below)
http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/taiwancountry.htm
The bottom line of China is that Taiwan cannot be a country in political sense for now.
And when China's chance comes, I am sure it will resort to any means that are necessray to bring Taiwan back.
This is the current situation in my point of view.

Osee
Yes. it would be better to say many or part of instead of most. But thinking people will know that is not the point.
Politically speaking, if Taiwan were a country, why there is no position for her in the United Nations?
generalfeldmarschall
I have to admit your mistake.
People fleed to Taiwan sixty years ago are not 'most people in Taiwan', not sixty years and not now.
Instead, most Taiwanese at the time were born and raised in Taiwan and many people in today's Taiwan are descendants of these Taiwanese.
Thus, your argument seems far from convincing.
Nevertheless, I agree with your point basically.
Osee

You were just talking about your feeling.

Most current people in Taiwan just came with the previous Chinese Jiang Jieshi Government, which fled into Taiwan 60 years ago due to the defeat by the Communist troops led by Mao Zhedong. Hundreds of years before that time, Taiwan had been the part of China.

GUGGI
I'm a taiwanese.And I don't want be a chinese.
I really hope someday China people can really respect our feeling,and really try to be our friend.

Chinese always say that we are family,but from what they've done,I can't say they are even friends.

When Taiwan people say they just want to be taiwanese,Chinese people just can't respect this choice,and insult taiwanese as "Dogs of Japanese " or "Dogs of America",and the concersation alway end with violence and threaten.

generalfeldmarschall

Goodman

#539947 Fri, 11 Jul 08 04:05 PM

<<>>I'm a taiwanese.And I don't want be a chinese.

I am speaking for myself and I am sure most the Chinese will agree. [...]

This is the typical mindset of a hardcore “Independence idealist”. I can understand if this came from an old timer who fled from the mainland to Taiwan when Moe’s army was running over everything. But that’s was two generations ago. Whether we like it or not, people of the two shores share the same culture, language and origin. You can deny all you want and call yourself whatever. My friend, try not to embarrass yourself again.

While the aviation industry of the mainland and Taiwan are going full speed to pave the way for the lucrative tourism industry of both shores; and perhaps allow the families separated for decades by the conflicts between the political parties, here you are, claiming that you are a “Taiwanese”, not a Chinese. I am sorry for you!

Goodman

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