Should Taiwan be part of China?

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jennyji  #48489  Fri, 01 Oct 04 04:26 PM
i'm not saying that Taiwan should be controlled by China.at least ,china has a policy: one country , two policies.Just like Hongkong, now it is developing very well, isn't it ?
so everyone of us may think about it , what it is really good to Taiwan ?
  
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Guest  #49095  Tue, 05 Oct 04 02:55 PM
I am Chinese I must say Taiwan was a part of Chinese in the past and it will be in the

future no one can change it no one for ever


we Chinese will strive fcr reunification it can not be changed I belive if anyone have

different opinions you can sent an email to me I will tell you the history and necessity
  
Guest  #49216  Wed, 06 Oct 04 04:24 PM
China is taiwan, Taiwan is China.

I've been doing alot of research, and i've found out that, Chiang Kai Shek or Jiang Jie Shi, proclaimed that Taipei be the temporary capitol of Republic of China, when they first arrived in Taiwan. He did not proclaim that Taiwan was the new China, and i mean it's pretty obvious, if he said Taipei would be the Temporary capitol of China then doesn't that make Taiwan part of China.....

I've been reading what people have written, and some say the Taiwanese - (Correction the Taiwanese are Chinese, the only Taiwanese people in Taiwan are the natives that have been there for thousands and thousands of years!) should be able to choose for themselves, well i think that's perfectly fair, I'm a Chinese Australian, born in Shanghai but came to Australia when i was 2 and i treasure my freedom, but i will never forget where i come from and what my people have suffered. I mean after all if it wasn't for ur Country u wouldn't be here but besides dat, yeah pretty much i'm an Aussie, think of it this way, In Australia we have the mainland, and then we have a island state Tasmania, the Taiwan/China situation is like , if the people living on Tasmania one day say "screw this we dont need australia we can live on our own" do you really think the central Australian government would let go dat easily, no!. It hurts for someone like me to see people of the same origin fight because of different beliefs, it's like two brothers fighting. What's the point? they're all the same people, and what get's me angered is the fact that a country which has absolutely nothing to do with it stirs things up i think you know what country i'm talking about the big uncle sam, the international police of the world, the country that has it all, but never enough, the country that loves sticking it's nose into other peoples business. Now i think is a time for both Chinese, and the Chinese in Taiwan to ask a question "why are we doing this", not "when are we going to do this". Because the way i see it if we do fight, that's just what the Americans want, for us to fight so they can make money off our misfortunes, In fighting we're only fighting ourselves there will be no end, because only the dead see the end of war!


Jason Lu ...
Sydney
Tupac Shakur RIP Homeboy! Peace~
  
gackt  #49518  Fri, 08 Oct 04 12:58 PM
I totally agree with Guest Jason.

Principally, there is nothing wrong with the concept of "one China", everyone agrees with it. Every other reason that Taiwan should go independent is political. And on political matters, there's really no point to discuss.

Lets hope that our people can unit in a peaceful way one day.
  
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oncogene  #49976  Tue, 12 Oct 04 07:01 AM
Taiwan is just a province of China.
  
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Guest  #50018  Tue, 12 Oct 04 10:06 AM
If the Tasmanians wanted to separate themselves from the Federation of Australian, they would be free to hold a referendum in their state to decide their intention formally. There would then be a democratic referendum nationally, which would not be discouraged with threats of war between the mainland and Tasmania.
In fact there is a movement in Western Australia to seperate Western Australia from the Federation. There have NEVER been threats of violence to discourage them! It would be VERY UnAustralian, and very undemocratic. That is the difference .... democracy!
  
xEnOn  #50063  Tue, 12 Oct 04 03:26 PM
here's a little overview of the history between taiwan and china from what i know.

taiwan had been part of china since the Ming Dynasty of China. however as the Ming court starts to decline, the dutch from the kingdom of netherlands took over taiwan and colonised her. At that time, the Qing army, who are the north invaders or Manchu invaders, had conquered most of china and even the capital, beijing. the fate of Ming Dynasty was definitely sealed. however, there were many patriots who still lived in taiwan wanted to overthrow the Qing and restore Ming. this was very obvious that the Qing warriors and calvary were far much powerful than the Ming's. the last emperor of Ming Dynasty had even hung himself on a tree. the brother of the emperor then took over his throne as Emperor LongWu. but he was later assinated by the Qing soldiers.
many Hans thought that they could fight against the Qing army with their poweful battleships as the Qing did not have powerful ships at that time. but before they could fight the Qing, they had to get rid of the dutch in taiwan. the chinese were successful to chase the dutch out of taiwan with their battleships. later, the china mainland became the Qing Dynasty Empire of the manchus while taiwan remain as a territory of the Ming Dynasty. this only lasted for a few years. very soon when Emperor Shunzi of the Qing dyasnty retired(he became a monk), Emperor KangXi took over his throne. KangXi later built a powerful fleet of battleships and managed to take over taiwan. ever since, taiwan continued to be part of china.
until the 1880s, the Qing court had began to decline. western imperialist took over parts of china like hong kong and maccau. Japan then conquered manchuds ria and taiwan.
soon after the 1911 revolution, Qing emperor xuantong abdicated and sun yatsen, a chinese democratic revolutionary of GuoMinDang settled up the republic of china. this was the birth of the republic of china. however at that time, another group, led by mao zedong, were starting to grow. they were the communists. these two parties had fought each other since then although they had allied twice, once to get rid of warlordism and second time to fight the world war II against the japanese. after wwII, the leader of the GuoMinDang was Chiang Kaishek(Jiang Jieshi). he was too eager to fight the communists and had many tatical errors. the GuoMinDang later lost to the chinese communist party and fled to Taiwan and set up a provisional capital there. until today, there is still a People's Republic of China(the mainland communist) and a Republic of China(taiwan democrats).

personally, i think that China should not bother about whether taiwan belongs to whoose. this is because they both have different idealogy. look at hong kong after the british had returned her to china. although it was said to be a special administrative area because of the different idealogy, there were still demonstrations by the people who are not happy about it. moreover, china still have many other problems which she have not resolved. problems like having 16 most polluted cities in the world are still around. although they are slowly opening up their market - allowing private ownerships - they still have other problems. i think they should resolve most of their internal problems first before getting even more lands. china already have a relatively big mass of lands. it should be enough for them to build up their country. once they had built up their country and is sure that they are capable of handling more lands, then maybe they could see if the people in taiwan would like to join china under a single country but different governance.
  
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samtz  #51027  Tue, 19 Oct 04 10:04 AM
Taiwan is a country. Taiwanese have never belong to China. Please, DO NOT dream by yourself. Taiwan no longer has province. Will Chinese change their history to teach them "Japan is a province of China."? Taiwan is a country.
  
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hypnopaedic  #51155  Wed, 20 Oct 04 04:23 AM
Taiwan deserves its own voice and does not need to stay with Mainland China if they do not feel it is necessary to do so. The problem is that there are two different ideologies involved, which makes this subject somewhat complex. Mainland China is still Communist and Taiwanese are not. In history it appears that the Taiwanese have endured immense oppression under Mainland China for some time for political differences. Such a sad ordeal.
  
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