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Stannum  +  356804 Fri, 27 Apr 07 10:02 PM

 Julielai wrote:
I'm not saying corporal punishment is right, but I don't see coproal punishment to be any more harmful to a child than other ill-judged things a parent may say or do. Children aren't eggshells; they're stronger than we think and most will manage to become perfectly fine adults...
It would be a good idea if parents judges their actions a little more carefully.

What other ill-judged things that a parent may say or do is on par with physical assault?

Stannum 

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Anonymous, 2 yr 195 days ago
When you spank children who can't understand why they were punished, they will only get scared.
This will help them develop violent tendencies.
I think verbal adminition is a better way to discipline children.

Grammar Geek  +  356917 Sat, 28 Apr 07 05:26 AM

What other ill-judged things that a parent may say or do is on par with physical assault?

Seriously?

How about saying "You're worthless," "You're stupid," "You'll never amount to anything." I think repeated negatives messages like these are far, far worse than an occasional swat on the bottom to keep a child from doing something like run into the street or something else that could be dangerous to the child.

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C;a;n, 2 yr 195 days ago
No, they should spank us.
Stannum  +  356942 Sat, 28 Apr 07 07:06 AM
 Grammar Geek wrote:

What other ill-judged things that a parent may say or do is on par with physical assault?

Seriously?

How about saying "You're worthless," "You're stupid," "You'll never amount to anything." I think repeated negatives messages like these are far, far worse than an occasional swat on the bottom to keep a child from doing something like run into the street or something else that could be dangerous to the child.

That is not ill-judged.  That is criminally stupid villification and will probably be a self fulfilling prophesy.  Why do procreators want to objectify and dominate their offspring? 

You can use as many euphemisms like spank or swat or slap.  The end result is still a physical blow delivered by someone far bigger and stronger than the child and in a position of total authority over the child.

Why is the use of coropral punishment not allowed to be used on adults yet it is defended as being somehow acceptable to use on children?

Stannum

Old Man Gordon  +  357020 Sat, 28 Apr 07 01:02 PM

Stannum-

I know you are promoting a more loving way.  I respect that.  I also agree that parents need to better consider what they do when their children misbehave.  I certainly don't think that spanking should be the primary method of discipline, and haven't had to use it myself more than 2 or 3 times.  I was spanked occassionally as a child, and bear no hard feelings for my parental units.  I appreciate NOW that they were doing something to help me avoid further problems.  Our understanding of a situation changes over time.  As a child you may find any punishment harsh, cruel, or unfair.  As an adult you can appreciate that your parents were not just trying to bully you into doing things their way.  They were trying to stop objectively wrong behavior.

You previously derided (derode?) sending children to their room, equating it with solitary confinement.  I couldn't disagree much more.  Such temporary confinement in the comfort of their own room can be beneficial to the child, giving them space from other children (if they were fighting) or time to consider their actions. For the parent, such separation may give them just the time they need to 'better consider their course of action', calm down, and avoid making an ill-judged decision out of anger in the heat of the moment. 

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Anonymous, 2 yr 195 days ago
Grammar Geek, where do you draw the fine line between 'an occasional swat on the bottom' and physical abuse?
I think your idea is not bad, but one problem is that spanking can be a slippery slope toward physical abuse,
because, I believe, humans are violent in nature. For example, in a zoo, stronger monkeys control weaker ones by force.
The same can be true for human discipline. Some people cannot maintain their sense of self-control.
Once you spank your child, this can justify any other form of violence.
Of course, this is not a good thing, but this can happen.
Where do you draw the fine line between spanking and child abuse?
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julielai  +  357078 Sat, 28 Apr 07 04:05 PM

 Anonymous wrote:
Grammar Geek, where do you draw the fine line between 'an occasional swat on the bottom' and physical abuse?
Where do you draw the fine line between spanking and child abuse?

Same fine line between occasionally drinking a glass of wine and emptying a bottle of vodka every day.

To answer Stannum's question, you sometimes see adults physically slapping and pinching each other but I don't think any of that amounts to something you need to call the cops about. There's something to be said about a "reasonable person's standard".

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julielai  +  357099 Sat, 28 Apr 07 04:45 PM

To look at this in a broader context, we are basically arguing over positive vs. negative reinforcement.

In my home country, the older generation was brought up in the "spanking/scolding/ridiculing" parental philosophy.  They scolded and spanked their kids (yes, that includes saying things like "you're so stupid"), yet many of these kids turned out just fine.  But the downside is this: those with lower EQs or who thrive more on positive reinforcement may not get the encouragement they need to excel in life.

Now look at, say, Americans, who believe mainly in positive reinforcement (ie. no spanking, no ridiculing, etc.). This is the carrot approach. It works well all in all, though I think these parents shield their kids so much from physical or emotional harm they may not grow up with a chance to learn to handle bruised feelings or frustrations. They may end up being eggshells because their parents treated them so. Also, kids who grow up with too many compliments may end up cocky.

I have an American friend who has a disciplinarian type for a father. Knowing my friend, I think he would have done better in life had his parents given him more encouragement. However, that type of parenting would be just fine with someone like my brother, who loves to be pushed.

I think a smart parent will know when to give a carrot and when to use the stick and how not to use each to excess.

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