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Doll  +  361016 Sun, 06 May 07 10:25 AM

Hey Stannum,  

I really don't agree with you about your way of teaching a child what to do or not to do. Your way just seemed me a brutalism rather than a way of teaching, I am sorry.

Doll
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Stannum  +  361042 Sun, 06 May 07 11:17 AM

 Nona The Brit wrote:
Hey, you were the one who said I should use my elbow to push him into the hot oven door so that he learns a lesson by burning his face.
Did I not speak of spending two precious hours to actually talk rather than a simple minded bop?

Did I not speak of having an ice cube instantly available?

Where did I speak of scarring?

Your words give my mouth a bad taste.  Your words are not my words.

I am not related to Cinderella in any way.

Children are to be cherished and taught.

My child is my immortality.

Your child is your immortality.

Our children are our immortality.

I love my immortality more than my mortality and she is more valuable to me than my very time.

Now you have a nice day won't you dear!

Stannum
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Stannum  +  361079 Sun, 06 May 07 12:59 PM
 Doll wrote:

Hey Stannum,  

I really don't agree with you about your way of teaching a child what to do or not to do. Your way just seemed me a brutalism rather than a way of teaching, I am sorry.

Which bits ar brutal and whitch bits are logical and caring?

Stannum

Brutalism indeed as against a casual 'bop' on the head with an impliment which is a criminal offence in Australia and would land the evil perpetrator in jail.

Robert
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Alexa For Australia  +  361119 Sun, 06 May 07 02:53 PM

 Nona The Brit wrote:
You think it's better to deliberately push a child into a hot object so that he burns his face (quite possibly scaring them for life) than bop them on the head with a spoon? Should I also have nudged him out the window and let him fall 20 feet to teach him it is dangerous? How bizarre.

You got him wrong. What he's saying is that you could have drawn the kid's hand near to the hot door, and even made him touch it with one of his fingers for one second, so he would realize he could really get hurt. And to have an icecube ready at hand.

What he has learnt is not to come near the oven when you are there.

The lesson was not to come near the oven when it's on.

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Stannum  +  361208 Sun, 06 May 07 07:19 PM
 Alexa For Australia wrote:
And to have an icecube ready at hand.

What he has learnt is not to come near the oven when you are there.

The lesson was not to come near the oven when it's on.

On the positive side from me he would learn that hot ovens burn inquisitive fingers and that ice heals burns while from you he would positively learn to fear the hand of woman who moves in ways so strange to the wide eyed little learner seeing monkeys as monkey's do see.

M.
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Doll  +  361282 Sun, 06 May 07 11:14 PM

Brutalism indeed as against a casual 'bop' on the head with an impliment which is a criminal offence in Australia and would land the evil perpetrator in jail.

Is the underlined sentence really true?
Doll
Feebs11  +  361302 Mon, 07 May 07 12:40 AM
Nobody in this discussion has mentioned that children are happier if they know the boundaries. All children will test adults to see how far they can go and one of the problems facing young parents is knowing how to respond. A short sharp tap is far more effective in telling a young child that the limit has been reached than all the reasoning in the world. Once a child has acquired enough language to understand, fine, talk at/with them - but the limits still have to be set and maintained.

Watching animals with their young, the mothers often administer a sharp reproof if the infant trangresses - and usually it is in the form of a slight blow. Humans are just the same.
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Stannum  +  361313 Mon, 07 May 07 01:33 AM
 Doll wrote:
Brutalism indeed as against a casual 'bop' on the head with an impliment which is a criminal offence in Australia and would land the evil perpetrator in jail.

Is the underlined sentence really true?

Yup.  I have no need to lie or embellish or colour.  Accurately researched reality is far grosser than any fiction.

In Australia it is a Criminal Offence, therefore punishable by imprisonment not merely a fine, to strike a child above the area of the shoulders with any impliment.

This wqas specifically enacted to stop well meaning step parents and such like from inflicting brain damage on developing brains.  Other countries apparently have different strokes and different folks.

Stannum
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Stannum  +  361314 Mon, 07 May 07 01:37 AM

 Feebs11 wrote:
Nobody in this discussion has mentioned that children are happier if they know the boundaries. All children will test adults to see how far they can go and one of the problems facing young parents is knowing how to respond. A short sharp tap is far more effective in telling a young child that the limit has been reached than all the reasoning in the world. Once a child has acquired enough language to understand, fine, talk at/with them - but the limits still have to be set and maintained.
I was careful and clever and suble enough to be able to communicate with my little one from a very early age.  Pchoice of tool to administer life lessons.  I am there to minimise the toughening process.

My child is not a seed requiring septicidal treatment.

 Feebs11 wrote:
Watching animals with their young, the mothers often administer a sharp reproof if the infant trangresses - and usually it is in the form of a slight blow. Humans are just the same.
I rest on the defence of The Elephant Man!

Stannum
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