Stannum  +  370698 Sat, 26 May 07 08:19 AM  Julielai wrote: Anytime. The paper is in the net, if you are interested. Thanks. All you need do is ask. Stannum Stannum Joined on Fri, Oct 28 2005 Melbourne Australia Regular Member 526

	Stannum  +  373758 Fri, 01 Jun 07 10:09 PM  Newmoon1805 wrote: Spare the rod and spoil the child. G'day Newmoon, Does this 'rod' refer to physical punishment or discipline in general? Stannum Stannum

	Forbes  +  376046 Wed, 06 Jun 07 10:33 PM  Newmoon1805 wrote: Spare the rod and spoil the child. I have often mused on the different possible meanings of that- 1. If you spare the rod (do not use it) you will spoil the child  2. If you spare the rod (do no harm to the rod) you will spoil the child 3. (a) Spare the rod (do not use it); and, (a totally separate instruction)     (b) spoil the child 4. (a) Spare the rod (do no harm to the rod); and, (a totally separate instruction)     (b) spoil the child You could go on with all the various meanings of "spoil". Forbes Joined on Thu, Jun 16 2005 Regular Member 895

	Old Man Gordon  +  376292 Thu, 07 Jun 07 04:28 PM Forbes-  you can go ahead and speculate, but the meaning is clearly number one.  I would like to point out that this phrase is not, strictly speaking, from the Bible, but it does put forth the biblical wisdom about discipline.  Proverbs 13:24 says "He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him."  and Proverbs 23:13-14 says "13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die. 14 Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death." Old Man Gordon Joined on Fri, Mar 16 2007 Full Member 409 Verbs

	Doll  +  392947 Mon, 16 Jul 07 09:25 PM  Anonymous wrote: My fathers old belt is stained with the blood of love and dicipline and is ready to come out of retirement if i find out my son swore at his teacher again     Congratulation, a new terrorist is about to come among us. Go on behaving like this! Doll Joined on Sat, Mar 10 2007 Senior Member 2,811

	David  +  393102 Tue, 17 Jul 07 08:41 AM How do you equate a quick slap on the bum with the making of a terrorist.Sounds very far fetched. Terrorism is to do with fanaticism and hatred not love and care. Obviously no one is suggesting brutality. David Joined on Sat, Mar 8 2003 Regular Member 664

	nona the brit  +  393107 Tue, 17 Jul 07 08:46 AM I think I have to agree with Doll there - a parent who beats a child with a belt to the extent of drawing blood must surely be having a bad effect on that child. Hardly a slap on the bum. nona the brit Joined on Wed, Sep 22 2004 England Veteran Member 11,713 The name says it all.