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DGui  +  349758 Wed, 11 Apr 07 11:40 PM
What do you think?
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Pucca  +  350085 Thu, 12 Apr 07 09:08 PM
No, I think they shouldn't be! What would you get if you do so?

It's true that could get their respect and those things, but is there any need of spanking them? There are other ways to make them respect you. If they do something wrong, just tell them what they have done wrong, teach them.

In my opinion, if you spank them, the only thing you would show the children is that you don't respect them, so, why should they respect you? You would teach them that you can get everything hitting others..
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Old Man Gordon  +  350567 Fri, 13 Apr 07 08:53 PM
I think it is sensible to spank a small child if that spanking might help prevent greater pain.  If they don't have the logical understanding to make decisions, it is better that they make a good decision out of fear of spanking than make a bad decision, ie walking into the street, touching a hot flame, drinking poison.  Beyond a certain age, though, vocabulary and logic make those decisions possible without fear of corporal punishment.
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Doll  +  350871 Sat, 14 Apr 07 06:03 PM
Had spanking been a perfect solution be sure you wouldn't have asked this question.
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Stannum  +  355849 Thu, 26 Apr 07 03:42 AM

 Doll wrote:
Had spanking been a perfect solution be sure you wouldn't have asked this question.
G'day Doll,

Well spotted.  You know how to think.

'Spanking' or to use the legal term 'physical assault' teaches nothing to the child except that right is might and that the people who are supposed to love and cherish the child can at times turn into violent monsters.

In my opinion spanked children grow up with messed up minds in far greater proportion to people who were not spanked.

Stannum

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Old Man Gordon  +  356034 Thu, 26 Apr 07 12:57 PM

Stan-

It's all well and good to have opinions, but yours doesn't have support from the facts (It could in the future, but it doesn't as of now).  Messed up minds are no less common since corporal punishment was taken out of schools or reduced in homes. 

So, if spanking is 'physical assault', then forcing an apology is 'mental abuse'.  Taking away a toy as a punishment for bad behavior should be re-termed 'stealing'.  Certainly a time out in a child's room should properly be called isolation, hence 'emotional abuse.'  Maybe we should avoid all corrective responses and let our children just decide how they want to behave.

Stannum  +  356252 Thu, 26 Apr 07 09:37 PM

 Old Man Gordon wrote:
It's all well and good to have opinions, but yours doesn't have support from the facts (It could in the future, but it doesn't as of now).
 It was claimed for decades that there was no causative lnk between smoking cigarettes and contracting lung cancer.  This did not stop millions of smokers from keeling over from lung cancer.

 Old Man Gordon wrote:
Messed up minds are no less common since corporal punishment was taken out of schools or reduced in homes. 
How could you know this?  What are your sources?

 Old Man Gordon wrote:
So, if spanking is 'physical assault', then forcing an apology is 'mental abuse'. 
Utterly.  A forced apology is worse than useless as it is apparent that if the apology is forced then the child does not consider that they have transgressed leaving you with a child who considers that they are being punished by being forced to say sorry for something that they did not consider to be wrong.

How would you feel if your boss forced you to apologise for doing something that you did not consider to be wrong or be summarily sacked?

 Old Man Gordon wrote:
Taking away a toy as a punishment for bad behavior should be re-termed 'stealing'.
Yes it should but only if all seven proofs of larceny are present.  If the toy is to be permentently removed from the child it could be stealing but this is bringing the criminal law into parental children relations and this is not logical.

 Old Man Gordon wrote:
Certainly a time out in a child's room should properly be called isolation, hence 'emotional abuse.' 
Any child requiring discipline is obviously emotionally distraught and to deprive such a child of emotional support is wicked behaviour by the person who should be most caring of that child.

Again this is like solitary confinement for a prisoner which is considered to be the one of the most extreme form of psychological abuse possible. 

 Old Man Gordon wrote:
Maybe we should avoid all corrective responses and let our children just decide how they want to behave.
Maybe we should stop vacillating between extremes when dealing with our most valuable resource.

Maybe we should take the time to sit down and talk with our kids about what is troubling them reather than simply reacting when we perceive an error.

Our children are looking towards us as their parents for examples of how to live and what to do in a cricis.

If we demonstrate a reasoned response we will be more likely to produce a reasonable reasoning adult.

If we demonstrate a reactive punishment based approach to love we will reap the benefits of our sown wisdom when  we are old and feeble and looking to our children for physical and emotional support.  I chose to put in the hard yards when I was young and active and now as I decline my child is here for me.

Stannum

julielai  +  356402 Fri, 27 Apr 07 02:25 AM

Stannum,

Corporal punishment used to be the norm in the old days, yet we can't say the majority of folks in the old days have a messed-up mind! Smile [:)]

I'm not saying corporal punishment is right, but I don't see coproal punishment to be any more harmful to a child than other ill-judged things a parent may say or do. Children aren't eggshells; they're stronger than we think and most will manage to become perfectly fine adults...

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Sdk  +  356635 Fri, 27 Apr 07 03:16 PM
Children are innocent. They are like blossoms, if you beat them, you will wither their character and if you love them, you water them to flourish. They must not treated like that. You can mould his character any way you want through guidance, love and affection. If you love them, they will obey you.
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