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Kooyeen  #387522  Tue, 03 Jul 07 03:56 PM
Hi,
I think I already asked about this, but I'm not sure and I can't find the thread.

Yes, let's go. I really feel like watching a movie. It's been a while since I went to the movies.
Yes, let's go. I really feel like watching a movie. It's been a while since I saw a good movie.


Do native speakers use the verb tenses like that? (Notice there's not "last" or "last time" in those sentences, though)
Or are the following versions more common (or the only versions that sound fine)?

Yes, let's go. I really feel like watching a movie. It's been a while since I've gone to the movies.
Yes, let's go. I really feel like watching a movie. It's been a while since I've seen a good movie.


Thanks Smile [:)]

  
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CalifJim  #387644  Tue, 03 Jul 07 08:49 PM
The short answer is that if you're talking about not having done something for a certain period of time, use the present perfect after since, and if you're talking about what you did some time ago, use the simple past.
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The long answer.

If
the meaning is

I have not ...+en for/in [a while / a long time / N months / ...],
where what you have not done is something that you (still) do occasionally or repeatedly or habitually, i.e., something that happens in "indefinite time",

then the same statement with the clauses "reversed" is

[It has / It's] been [a while / a long time / N months / ...] since I have ...+en.

Examples:

I haven't gone to the movies for a while.
It's been a while since I've gone to the movies.

I haven't seen a good movie in a long time.
It's been a long time since I've seen a good movie.

Shtupfort hasn't written a book on Martian humor in years.
It's been years since Shtupfort has written a book on Martian humor.
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The use of the simple past tends to suggest a one-time event, so the first of the pair doesn't make a lot of sense, not to mention the "reversed" form, which is equally awkward.

*I haven't graduated from high school in a long time.
*It's been a long time since I've graduated from high school.


When a definite event is involved (not a habitual situation), the pair is like this:

I ...+ed [a while / a long time / N months / ...] ago.
It's been [a while / a long time / N months / ...] since I ...+ed.
[Here it is not a question of not having done something for some indefinite period of time.]

I saw that movie a long time ago.
It's been a long time since I saw that movie.
 
[Note the definiteness of that movie compared with the indefiniteness of a good movie.]

Greenley won the football championship six months ago.
It's been six months since Greenley won the football championship.

My cousin Henry died four years ago.
It has been four years since my cousin Henry died.


To summarize:
... have not done that for a long time >> It's been a long time since ... have done that.
... did that a long time ago                >> It's been a long time since ... did that.

These should suffice until all the counterexamples are found.  Smile [:)]

CJ

P.S.  Yes, native speakers do use the simple past at times when they really "mean to use" the present perfect.
  
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Kooyeen  #387656  Tue, 03 Jul 07 09:56 PM
Thank you very much Jim, I perfectly understand.
My understanding was the same as yours, I just wasn't completely sure. (And by the way, I'm almost sure I already asked about this or read something here, because I remember reading a similar explanation... but I couldn't find the thread).
Thanks again. Smile [:)]

  
CalifJim  #387659  Tue, 03 Jul 07 10:03 PM
It's just as well you couldn't find the other thread.  I probably had a different answer there, and this one is better.  But ask again in a few months, and maybe I'll have an even better answer.  Smile [:)]

CJ

  
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