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Sanforized    666376 Thu, 01 Jan 09 12:30 AM

I have an instance where someone is using "English" (probably not AmerEnglish) words when writing and
I wondered if these can give a reasonable clue as
to what part of the world this individual comes
from originally:
afore for before
bye for by
don't fret for don't worry
I'd have to do some difficult research to find
more examples.
Peter Duncanson  , 325 days ago

"I have an instance where someone is using "English" (probably not AmerEnglish) words when writing and I wondered if these can give a reasonable clue as to what part of the world this individual comes from originally: afore for before"

Used in Scotland
"bye for by"

I don't know.
"don't fret for don't worry"

Understood throughout the UK. It is certainly used in Scotland.
"I'd have to do some difficult research to find more examples."

Peter Duncanson, UK
(in uk.culture.language.english)
foolsrushin    666382 Thu, 01 Jan 09 05:19 AM

"I have an instance where someone is using "English" (probably not AmerEnglish) words when writing and I wondered if these ... etc. ... .) (2) by for bye ( Never have read it anywhere ...) (3) don't worry for don't fret."

(Don't misunderstand jokes, ever!)
(1) Common enough in Scotland, but only in spoken English. A former registrar, a Scot, Margaret Love, however, left me colloquial notes, saying, 'Afore I left ... Don't fret, John, we have placed Manlio with Mrs Gibbons ( a student placement.). You could hear her talk via her memos!'. Wonderful!
(2) Unknown.
(3) Very common in Ireland. ('frettan' is ME for 'consume', so don't consume yourself in worry or grief, so 'Don't worry!'.)
foolsrushin.
"I'd have to do some difficult research to find more examples."

You could look at Henry Sweet's 'Anglo-Saxon Grammar.' It is thought that he was the model for Henry Higgins - in Shaw's 'Pygmalion,' transformed by Lerner and Lowe into 'My Fair Lady.' At one point, they began to regret their attempt to do it, notwitsanding their love for the plays of Shaw.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/883791/my fair lady/







foolsrushin.
PS: In Hartford and Hampshire, hurricanes hardly happen ... .
foolsrushin    666383 Thu, 01 Jan 09 06:06 AM



Amateur production: none of them is that bad, but just listen to this Eliza: with a voice coach in a professional production, she would have been as good as Andrews or Hepburn. 'She's got it!' Amazing performance, actually! Higgins, better than OK, and the others very good, but listening for their lines. They could get the hang of it!

Yes, I know Julie Andrewws did voice over. Wrong? No! Hepburn and Andrews were oustanding. The role should have gone, though, to the one who could do the whole of it!

foolsrushin.
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David    666389 Thu, 01 Jan 09 09:02 AM

"I have an instance where someone is using "English" (probably ... the world this individual comes from originally: afore for before"

"Used in Scotland"

And in England.

And in England.

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Paul    666407 Fri, 02 Jan 09 04:24 PM

"bye =A0 =A0for =A0 =A0by"

"I don't know. Peter Duncanson, UK (in uk.culture.language.english)"

May be, just may be what the original poster meant to express was that he's noticed the word 'bye' being articulated (and not written) with the first vowel component in the diphthong more prominently pronounced than the second, in certain areas in the U.K. and not so prominently pronounced in certain other areas.
"There, little luxury, don't you cry,
You'll be a necessity by and by!"
Paul.
Paul    666408 Fri, 02 Jan 09 04:30 PM

You could hear her talk via her
"memos!'. Wonderful!"

Talkin' through your notes is a much better thing to do than to talk through your nose!
"PS: In Hartford and Hampshire, hurricanes hardly happen ... ."

Thought there was the mention of a third 'H'-beginning town, apart from Hartford and Hampshire "where hurricanes hardly happen..."

Paul.
Paul    666409 Fri, 02 Jan 09 04:35 PM

At one point, they began to regret their attempt to do it, notwitsanding their love for
"the plays of Shaw."

Why? Did they find it too hard a challenge to handle?

Paul.
Sanforized  , 323 days ago

"I don't know. Peter Duncanson, UK (in uk.culture.language.english)"

"May be, just may be what the original poster meant to express was that he's noticed the word 'bye' being ... prominently pronounced than the second, in certain areas in the U.K. and not so prominently pronounced in certain other areas."

OP noticed these usages being written.
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