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Bird Of Paradise  #339334  Wed, 14 Mar 07 08:05 PM
I think somebody is singular and therefore it should take a singular verb, for example: Somebody is coming here.
But if i say, Somebody are coming here. Is it correct?
  
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Goodman  #339336  Wed, 14 Mar 07 08:08 PM

No- Some people / friends are coming.

Someone, somebody is always regarded as sigular.

  
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Kooyeen  #339340  Wed, 14 Mar 07 08:13 PM
Interesting...
But I think you could say "Somebody is coming here and I think they are coming to kill me."
In that sentence "somebody" and "they" could mean "some people" (so they are both used as plural), but also "a person" (so they are both used as singular).
Smile [:)]

  
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Bird Of Paradise  #339341  Wed, 14 Mar 07 08:14 PM
 But in Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary somebody is abriviated as sbd, and everywhere it is treated as plural in it.
  
Goodman  #339379  Wed, 14 Mar 07 10:21 PM

Here is an article I’ve found in the interest of singularity and plurality. It may be helpful in answering some of the questions.___________________________________________________________

Is None Singular or Plural?

By Diane Sandford

Published July 21, 2003

Welcome to a new feature from LLRX: a column on grammar. Grammar? Who cares about grammar? You should. How you write makes a strong impression on all your working relationships. Of course, I'm interested because I find it fun. It can even be billable! I once spent hours meticulously diagramming a section of the CFR for a litigation partner to help him determine the intent of a regulation. He later asked just what the correct term was for people like me - those odd individuals who like to edit, diagram sentences, and debate about things grammatical. I was quick to respond, "Grammar Goddess, of course!"

Every firm can use a grammar goddess (or g-d). With my trusty style manuals, dictionaries, and grammar books by my side, I plan to take a look at common questions of grammar that arise during the work day and share the answers with you. Rarely a day goes by that I'm not asked a grammar question.

·  Should certain words in a title be capitalized?

·  Should a sentence with ambiguous antecedents be recast ? (Yes!)

·  Does a closing quotation mark go before or after the period? (After.)

Recently, a summer associate asked whether the indefinite pronoun none was singular or plural. She asked because she wasn't sure which form of verb to use with it, singular or plural. I suggested that she think of none as not one, and that quickly resolved the issue.

Indefinite pronouns by definition reference nonspecific things or people. Most of these pronouns take a singular verb, some are always plural, and a few may be either singular or plural. Take a look at the lists below, and you'll notice that most indefinite pronouns are singular.

·  Singular: another, anybody, anyone, anything, each, either, everybody, everyone, everything, many a, neither, no one, nobody, nothing, one, other, somebody, someone

·  Plural: both, few, many, others, several

·  Singular or Plural: all, any, none, some, such

A good rule of thumb is to treat most indefinite pronouns as singular and try to remember the few exceptions.

Example 1: Neither of the attorneys (was/were) available for comment.
Think: Not one of the attorneys was available for comment. (singular subject/singular verb)

Example 2: None of the documents (is/are) identified in the brief.
Think: Not one of the documents is identified in the brief. (singular subject/singular verb)

Example 3: Some of the arguments (was/were) weak.
Think:  More than one of the arguments were weak. (plural subject/plural verb)

On the surface, indefinite pronouns seem simple and harmless, but they often cause confusion for writers. Try rephrasing the sentence by replacing the indefinite pronoun with some of the suggested variations above, and you'll usually make the correct choice.

If you are interested in a more extensive discussion of indefinite pronouns, take a look at Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage (available in print only) or visit www.bartleby.com, one of the most useful web resources for writers, editors, and researchers alike. Simply enter a free-text search or select a specific reference title to search from the pull-down menu (e.g., Strunk's Style).

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Grammar Geek  #339420  Thu, 15 Mar 07 12:50 AM

 Kooyeen wrote:
Interesting...
But I think you could say "Somebody is coming here and I think they are coming to kill me."
In that sentence "somebody" and "they" could mean "some people" (so they are both used as plural), but also "a person" (so they are both used as singular).
Smile [:)]

The use of "they" to mean singular is still being debated as to whether or not it's okay (although more say it's okay with each passing year) but even so, it's conjugated with plural verbs.

Bird - Truly? The dictionary treats "somebody" as plural?

  
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Kooyeen  #339423  Thu, 15 Mar 07 01:08 AM
Umm, GG, you quoted some stuff of mine, was there anything wrong? I used a singular verb for "somebody" and a plural verb for "they", although both refer to the same person or people. I think it's ok that way.
As for whether "they" is accepted or not, I know someone doesn't like it yet, but I decided to always use "singular they's". I had to choose, and that was my choice. Smile [:)]

  
Grammar Geek  #339429  Thu, 15 Mar 07 01:46 AM

No, not at all. You are completely correct. But others who are still trying to puzzle through the singular/plural thing might be confused by the seeming conflict/contrast, so I was just expanding on it.

  
CalifJim  #339474  Thu, 15 Mar 07 04:41 AM
Interesting...  But I think you could say "Somebody is coming here and I think they are coming to kill me."
In that sentence "somebody" and "they" could mean "some people" (so they are both used as plural), but also "a person" (so they are both used as singular).
somebody is singular here, and so is they are.  I don't agree that somebody and/or they can mean some people in this sentence.  they only means that person (the somebody) to me.  And even are is singular in meaning because it goes with "singular" they (though plural in form, a grammatical requirement).
Singular they, them, their, etc. have been used for almost two centuries, even by the best authors.  It has been the solution to the 'he or she problem' for years.

For the plural, I would say Some people from English Forums are coming here, and I think they are coming to kill Kooyeen.  Smile [:)]

CJ

  
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