Guest  +  55893 Wed, 17 Nov 04 06:02 PM Is the /w/ of "wind" the same sound as the /w/ of "out"? The reason I ask is that most dictionaries use different symbols to represent these sounds; the /w/ of "wind" is shown as a consonant and the /w/ of "out" is shown as part of the diphthong /ou/. On the other hand, authors of pronunciation manuals such as Linda Lane ("Focus on pronunciation") or Ann Baker and Sharon Goldstein ("Pronunciation pairs") transcribe "wind" and "out" with the same symbol /w/. It all seems a little inconsistent to me. Can anybody help out? Darek Guest Consonants, Pronunciation, Diphthongs

	King  +  56295 Sat, 20 Nov 04 05:17 AM By sound, the w in wind and the w "ou" sound are essentially the same. Physically, "ou" is one sound, but the second part of it is "w", so in your case, yes. King Joined on Sat, Nov 13 2004 New Member 33 Whatever I just said is about AMERICAN English. Just warning you.

	darek  +  56597 Sun, 21 Nov 04 10:59 PM Hi King. Thanks for the reply. Actually, that's what I was hoping to hear. I'm a teacher of practical phonetics at a Teacher Training College and I'm writing dialogs based on sounds, i.e. a sound in focus appears in the dialog as many times as possible. I wasn't sure if I had to write separate texts for "w" and "ou" or if it is OK to combine the two in one dialog. Good news. Thanks again. darek Joined on Sun, Nov 21 2004 New Member 03 Phonetics

	Teacher Eric  +  57148 Wed, 24 Nov 04 03:27 AM I have to agree with "Guest". Although there definitely is a "w" sound in out, it should have its own classification. The "w" in wind is a consonant sound, but the pronunciation of "out" falls under vowels sounds /au/. Same goes for "cloud, mouth, account, pronounce, town, shower, etc". Teacher Eric Joined on Mon, Aug 16 2004 Full Member 171 Manila-based ESL/ESP teacher with a TESOL. Hoping to get a "Pass" in the DELTA. Vowels, Consonants, Pronunciation