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Kooyeen  #529729  Thu, 19 Jun 08 07:40 PM

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That may well be true, Koyeen, but what about this part?

<<<nor were they (the British and Americans), as subjects, found to be the most able to understand the different varieties of English" (Smith, 1992).'>>>

If that is actually true... maybe non-native speakers are more likely to be "flexible", since they had to learn a new language, new structures, new ways of expressing their thoughts, and some also learned a new set of sounds. So they might focus more on "making themselves understood in some way" and might have tried to get used to different dialects more than native speakers, who often are only used their own variety and few others.
But that's just an explanation I made up... It is a actually a pretty subjective thing. Some native speakers understand several varieties pretty easily, while others have trouble understanding very different dialects. It depends.
  
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MrPedantic  #529738  Thu, 19 Jun 08 08:06 PM

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Some native speakers understand several varieties pretty easily, while others have trouble understanding very different dialects. It depends.

Yes; the most that Smith (1992) could reasonably conclude was that, interestingly, the native speakers (from Britain and the US) he had selected were not found to be the most easily understood, nor were they, the native speakers he had selected, as subjects, found to be the most able to understand the different varieties of English that he presented them with.

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Anonymous  #529781  Thu, 19 Jun 08 10:21 PM
<If that is actually true...>

Why would it be false?

<So they might focus more on "making themselves understood in some way" and might have tried to get used to different dialects more than native speakers, who often are only used their own variety and few others. >

So, looking towards an truly international lingua franca, many native speakers would be poorly equipped to deal with such, right?
  
Kooyeen  #529791  Thu, 19 Jun 08 11:02 PM

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Why would it be false?

Because I can't be sure. First, I am not a native speaker. Second, I don't understand English the way I'd like to, not yet. Therefore, I can't know how a native speaker perceives English in general. It's something I've always wanted to know though. I wanted to post a video of a guy talking in the strongest southern accent I've ever heard, to see how natives speakers understood him, but there is too much inappropriate language in it, so I doubt I'll ever post it here. Then I remember seeing another video, Scottish accent this time. I basically didn't understand anything the first time I watched it, but later on, the second time, I was able to understand more. And what about songs? It's often impossible for me to understand, and I usually mishear a lot of things... especially in rock songs.

So my understanding is still limited, and I can't know how a native feels about their own language, and what they actually understand. I've never liked statistics very much, especially when they involve such subjective issues, so I usually never want to believe everything someone says, without at least a reasonable explanation. I would expect native speakers who travel a lot to be able to understand different accents better than those who have always lived in the same place, work in a field eight hours a day, and rarely watch TV... just as a sensible thought. But what could I say in general? Nothing...


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So, looking towards an truly international lingua franca, many native speakers would be poorly equipped to deal with such, right?

I would say maybe native speakers will have to get used to Indian accents, and Chinglish. Big Smile
  
Anonymous  #529802  Thu, 19 Jun 08 11:22 PM
, so I usually never want to believe everything someone says, without at least a reasonable explanation.

So now you understand how I felt when Mr P mentined "standard spoken English", but did not go on to explain, in detail, his thinking.
  
Anonymous  #530741  Sun, 22 Jun 08 12:28 AM
Getting into the guts of so called "standard spoken British English dialect" would these examples fit the bill?

I'm going to have a glass of Merlot 82, me.
I'm having pie and chips, I am.
He complains all the time, he does.
It's not actually very good is it this play?
We're always getting it wrong, us?
She must be quite a good writer, you know.
  
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