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miriam  +  38065 Mon, 19 Jul 04 06:03 AM
Hello, Pastel. Smile [:)]

In the first sentence, it is possible that that you will go out (I don't think we can say 50-50 or measure it really). If you do, you will close the window then. But, if you don't go out, the window will remain open.

In the second sentence you are sure you will close the window; you will do it when you go out. Your going out is more than just a possibility here: you know you will go out (or you have decided you will go out), and that's when you will close the window.

In the first sentence, you haven't made up your mind about going out yet, and since your closing the window depends on that, it's not possible to be sure what will happen.
In the second, you will close the window, just not now. But it is only a matter of time.

Does it help?

Miriam

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PASTEL  +  38108 Mon, 19 Jul 04 02:24 PM
This is my comprehension after reading your post:

The first sentence implied some uncertainty of going out or not, and whether to close the window or not depends on his going out, whereas the second one is of certain that the person will go out in a future time and thus he'll close the window when he's out.


I hope I don't get you wrong. Thank you, Miriam.Rose [F]
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miriam  +  38254 Tue, 20 Jul 04 10:41 AM
That's what I meant, Pastel! Smile [:)]
In the second sentence, the person will close the window, probably, on their way our, not when they are out.
You're most welcome.

Miriam
PASTEL  +  38348 Tue, 20 Jul 04 07:03 PM
A: "Has he gained weight?"
B: "He would gain weight, but he _____ much."

(1)doesn't eat (2)didn't eat



The asnwer is (1).

But I chose (2) because I think it is the first condition. In true, he doesn't eat much. So the clause following 'but' should be in subjuntive mood.




PASTEL  +  38350 Tue, 20 Jul 04 07:08 PM
A: What happened to the flower I gave you?
B: The flower _____ well, but I did not water it.

(1)would have grown (2)should have grown



The answer is (1).

I chose (2) but I don't know how to explain. I chose the answer intuively because I would say the meaning of 'should' is similiar to this one, "He should be there."


Would you please help?
PASTEL  +  38352 Tue, 20 Jul 04 07:11 PM
A: Tell the nurse you've been waiting an hour.
B: Not now...She's talking to a patient. _________

(1) Interrupt her would be rude. (2) It would be rude to interrupt.



The answer is (2)

I want to know what's wrong with (1). Should I make the verb a gerund?
PASTEL  +  38357 Tue, 20 Jul 04 07:22 PM
It is strange that you _____ say such a thing.
(1)would (2)should



The answer is (2).

Mine is (1). It dealt with the willingness of a person to say such a thing. I think 'should' is so strong that it forms one type of request or order. So I consider it not suitable. But obvious, I'm wrong. Erm...frustrated, I need you.



The questions I have are from TOEFL. I decided to put them under this subject instead of seperating them into different threads becuase I think they belong to subcategories of 'Mood.' I'd like to keep the thread as simple and clear as possible for further tracing in the future.


I look forward to your answers. Thank you in advance.
miriam  +  38706 Thu, 22 Jul 04 06:30 AM
Hello, Pastel. Smile [:)]
I'll try to answer your questions; let me know if you need clarification?

Your first question:
A: "Has he gained weight?"
B: "He would gain weight, but he _____ much."

(1)doesn't eat (2)didn't eat

Without a context, with the short exchange as it is, the right answer is 1). B is, in the end, saying that "he" hasn't gained weight: he doesn't eat much; he would gain wait if he ate more.
Now, if you choose 2), we would have a problem. ~L~
There are few cases when you can use a conditional in both clauses in a sentence -a conditional sentence. But your sentence isn't one of those, not in form.
Also, "didn't eat" won't have "subjunctive" meaning in your example.


Your second question:
A: What happened to the flower I gave you?
B: The flower _____ well, but I did not water it.

(1)would have grown (2)should have grown

1) is correct.
If you chose 2) there would be a contradiction in meaning in both clauses: I didn't water the flower, but on the other hand it "should" have grown well? It's not possible, it would have been a miracle for the plant to grow if I didn't water it. See what I mean?
The meaning of the sentence (with option 2) is: The plant would have grown well if I had watered it, but I didn't (so the plant eventually died, I suppose).

You could use "should" in a different context: suppose you did water the pland, yet it didn't grow. In that case you could say, for example: "I watered the plant, it should have grown well", meaning it was expected to grow as a result of my taking care of it... but it didn't grow.


Third question:
A: Tell the nurse you've been waiting an hour.
B: Not now...She's talking to a patient. _________

(1) Interrupt her would be rude. (2) It would be rude to interrupt.

2) is ok.
1) is wrong for the reasons you gave. Instead of "interrupt", you could choose between "interrupting" and "to interrupt". Both a gerund and a to-infinitive can be the subject of a clause.


Your last question:
It is strange that you _____ say such a thing.
(1)would (2)should

2) is correct. Here, the construction with "should" indicates subjunctive mood.
I understand your reasoning for choosing "would", but in this case it wouldn't indicte willingness on the part of the speaker, and "should" doesn't indicate there is an order or srtrong suggestion involved. The choice in this sentence has to do with "form", and it is the form what will determine the meaning... if that makes sense?

Miriam
PASTEL  +  38920 Fri, 23 Jul 04 09:19 PM
Thank you very much, dear Miriam. The following is my comcomprehension after reading your post. If there is any misunderstanding, please correct me.


A: "Has he gained weight?"
B: "He would gain weight, but he _____ much."
(1)doesn't eat (2)didn't eat


The the first part of the answer, "He would gain weight", functions as 1st condition as a conditional sentence in "If he ate much, he would gain weight." But here in my example, 'but' is not subjunctive at all, it simply is a conjunction. So I should use "indicative mood" to describe a general fact that "he doesn't eat much." The structure is similiar with my second example. In true, I didn't water those flowers, so they didn't grow well. In other words, if I had watered those flowers, they would have grown well.

Do I get your point clearly?

About my last question, I think it is an 'imperative mood', isn't it?


I look forward to your answers.

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