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Avangi  +  626027 Mon, 29 Dec 08 06:19 PM

Yoong Liat
Liveinjapan
“If Mr. Toyoda gets the Toyota presidency, it would be the first time in over a decade that a member of the company’s founding family was at the helm.”
Is it correct to use 'got' instead of 'get'? ”
CalifJim
“ But the bigger question is why would and not will?

If he gets the presidency, it will be the first time that a family member is at the helm.

Maybe there is a lot of doubt about whether he will get the presidency? If that were so, the if-clause would be in the past.

Or is it just a way for the speaker to show that he is "in the know" while the reader is not? There is a strange use of would that is like that, but I can't quite describe it -- a subtle way of saying "of course, (you dummy)" -- a way of seeming superior, perhaps? ”
Hi, Yoong. As you can see, this is an interesting sentence. CB had some good input too.

I think "got" is fine. It seems to go well with the rest of the sentence. I've been struggling to figure how the subjunctive option fits in the "if" clause, re "gets/got." Maybe after I wake up.


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CalifJim  +  626028 Mon, 29 Dec 08 06:22 PM

Yoong Liat
“Is it correct to use 'got' instead of 'get'?”
Sure.  It indicates that the writer finds it less likely that Mr. Toyoda might really get the presidency.  It's then a remark about something more remotely probable.  In my experience, that kind of musing about possibilities is not very common in journalism, but I haven't done any research about it.  Smile

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Yoong Liat, 327 days ago

Many thanks, Avangi and CJ.

Anonymous, 327 days ago

Hi, The poster named "Liveinjapan" wrote this.

If Mr. Toyoda gets the Toyota presidency, it would be the first time in over a decade that a member of the company’s founding family was at the helm.

I think the use of 'woud' be considered wrong if written by a student of English, but as the case is (or might be), this is probably written by a newspaper staff member, possibly a professional in his own right, and that might have weighed more favorably to the decision  of deciding whether the use of the modal "would" has some justification or not.  
Verb_aTIM  +  627417 Wed, 31 Dec 08 07:11 AM


"If Mr. Toyoda gets the Toyota presidency, it would be the first time in over a decade that a member of the company’s founding family was at the helm.
"

 The question is :  Is was a Subjunctive?
 The answer is :   Yes, the Clause where was is located is certainly a Subjuntive Clause.
                                  Just because the phrase is  headed by the Conjunction that.

    It is easy get confuse with the context that surrounds a question like,  Is was a Subjunctive?
And the main reason for that is, Subjunctive in English is not easy task to do.  Nobody seems to be willing bothering.  You must create a context where the indicator verb can be located safely in order to project the idea as you originally conceived it.

      The Statement is compound, that is, it is not a single phrase, nor a single sentence either
      It's a Compound Statement. And each Clause has its own verb, that reveals its intrinsic nature.:

1. "If Mr. Toyoda gets the Toyota presidency,  ---------------------Subjunctive Conditional.  Problem is, it should be used got instead.
2.  it would be the first time in over a decade  -----------------------------Main Clause.  Post-Preterit, Indicative.
3, that a member of the company’s founding family was at the helm".
--Subjunctive properly said, Past Tense.

The magic in the Subjuntive Properly Said is that, it can accept Present tense, Past tense, and hear this, the Verb as in Infinitive but without "to".

The Ultimate Pattern, That's what I'm looking for.

TIM




 

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